To Catch a Thief: North Korea On Our Payroll

Hosts

• Nicole PerlrothFormer New York Times lead cybersecurity reporter, author of This Is How They Tell Me the World Ends, and host of To Catch a Thief

Frequent guests

• Kevin Mandia · 1 episodeFounder of Mandiant and partner at Ballistic Ventures
• John Hultquist · 1 episodeChief analyst at Google Threat Intelligence
• Andrew Scott · 1 episodeFormer U.S. intelligence official who tracked Chinese and North Korean cyber threats
• Nick Carlson · 1 episodeFormer FBI analyst specializing in North Korean hacking
• Steve Stone · 1 episodeSenior vice president of threat intelligence at SentinelOne
• Charles Carmichael · 1 episodeChief technology officer of Mandiant
• Rob Joyce · 1 episodeFormer NSA hacking and cybersecurity director
• Amy Herzog · 1 episodeChief information security officer of Amazon Web Services
• Ryan LaSalle · 1 episodeCEO of the human-risk investigations firm Nisos
• Michael Barnhart · 1 episodeNation-state insider threat investigator who tracks North Korean hackers and IT workers
• Adam Meyers · 1 episodeHead of counter-adversary operations at CrowdStrike
• Jim Lewis · 1 episodeFormer diplomat and analyst of cyber conflict

Topics

• Nuclear program of North Korea
• Federal Bureau of Investigation
• Remote work during the COVID-19 pandemic
• Bybit hack
• Sony Pictures hack
• Insider threat
• Keystroke latency
• Amazon Web Services
• Superdollar
• Korean War
• Sanctions against North Korea
• Employment fraud
• Nisos
• North Korean remote IT worker scheme

Recently covered

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  Ep. 1: Strange Things Are Happening

  Jun 9, 2026 · 54 min

  Nicole Perlroth and cybersecurity experts trace how North Korean operatives secured remote IT jobs at U.S. companies to fund the regime's weapons programs.

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