David Grusch
Former intelligence official whose House Oversight testimony Gaetz cites
David Grusch (Former intelligence official whose House Oversight testimony Gaetz cites) has appeared as a guest on 1 episode in TMT. Topics they speak about most include Unidentified flying objects and government disclosure, UFO crash retrieval programs, VASCO project.
In their words
Positions and remarks grouped by topic, each with the exact quote and where it was said.
Unidentified flying objects and government disclosure
Grusch advises the administration to make a threshold disclosure at least six months before the next election.
“if I were advising the president and if the team's listening, I would do it at least six months before the election”
The Joe Rogan Experience: #2560 - David Grusch (Sep 30, 2026) · Listen from 2:26:32
Grusch supports an amnesty process modeled on South Africa's Truth and Reconciliation Commission.
“I believe in amnesty, but I think we need to do it like Truth and Reconciliation Commission, which was in post-apartheid South Africa in the 90s”
The Joe Rogan Experience: #2560 - David Grusch (Sep 30, 2026) · Listen from 50:10
Grusch argues the main reason against disclosure was the government's potential legal liability to defense contractors.
“the government would be liable for who fucking knows, billions of dollars worth of monies that they spent on this to these contractor partners”
The Joe Rogan Experience: #2560 - David Grusch (Sep 30, 2026) · Listen from 47:16
- Prediction · due Jan 2029
Grusch predicts that everything he testified about will be officially released before Trump's term ends.
“So I believe before Trump's term ends that it's all going to come out”
The Joe Rogan Experience: #2560 - David Grusch (Sep 30, 2026) · Listen from 23:39
Grusch says Senate staff were told in a classified meeting that specific named individuals had wanted to kill him.
“these couple individuals and they named the individuals. I'm like, I know who they are. They wanted to kill you”
The Joe Rogan Experience: #2560 - David Grusch (Sep 30, 2026) · Listen from 16:13
Grusch claims he uncovered a criminal enterprise operating out of a particular government agency.
“I ended up bumping into a criminal enterprise run out of a particular agency”
The Joe Rogan Experience: #2560 - David Grusch (Sep 30, 2026) · Listen from 5:57
UFO crash retrieval programs
Grusch claims there is a large non-human base of operations underwater in certain locations.
“There's clearly some sort of base of operations in certain locations. It's large. Don't know when it got there”
The Joe Rogan Experience: #2560 - David Grusch (Sep 30, 2026) · Listen from 2:19:11
Grusch says reptilian beings at a crash site posed a threat and U.S. personnel were hurt and killed.
“it just posed a threat and, you know, U.S. personnel started, you know, getting hurt and dying”
The Joe Rogan Experience: #2560 - David Grusch (Sep 30, 2026) · Listen from 2:08:53
Grusch says he independently verified video of dead beings over years to rule out deception.
“I sat on that stuff for like years until I felt comfortable with that not being some sort of limited hangout or deception activity”
The Joe Rogan Experience: #2560 - David Grusch (Sep 30, 2026) · Listen from 59:55
Grusch says technology derived from recovered material came mostly through inspiration rather than direct copying.
“And so a lot of it was garnered via inspiration, not one-to-one. In some cases, I suppose we did, but like that's been most of it”
The Joe Rogan Experience: #2560 - David Grusch (Sep 30, 2026) · Listen from 25:23
Grusch asserts the U.S. has recovered intact and semi-intact craft.
“We've recovered material, a.k.a. intact, semi-intact craft”
The Joe Rogan Experience: #2560 - David Grusch (Sep 30, 2026) · Listen from 23:56
Other remarks
Grusch denies involvement with Matthew Brown's account, saying he first spoke with him in 2024 after leaving the intelligence community.
“I met Matt or talked to him for the first time in like 2024, well after I left the intelligence community”
The Joe Rogan Experience: #2560 - David Grusch (Sep 30, 2026) · Listen from 2:22:15
VASCO project
Grusch praises the VASCO archival plate research while saying it cannot conclusively prove UAP.
“It's hard to make an exact conclusion if it's UAP, but it's really great original scholarship, and I applaud her for doing that”
The Joe Rogan Experience: #2560 - David Grusch (Sep 30, 2026) · Listen from 1:22:15
To the Stars Academy of Arts and Science
Grusch alleges a pre-2016 effort using Tom DeLonge was meant to prepare the public for disclosure under Hillary Clinton.
“There was an inside job to prep the battle space for Hillary”
The Joe Rogan Experience: #2560 - David Grusch (Sep 30, 2026) · Listen from 2:03:15
Project Blue Book
Grusch cites Harry Turner's Australian intelligence document as concluding Blue Book was a facade.
“Blue Book was a facade. The Air Force was fucking really concerned about this”
The Joe Rogan Experience: #2560 - David Grusch (Sep 30, 2026) · Listen from 1:59:51
Artificial intelligence
Grusch warns that artificial superintelligence could reveal the UAP secret before the government does.
“I bet artificial superintelligence could disclose before the federal government if we're not careful”
The Joe Rogan Experience: #2560 - David Grusch (Sep 30, 2026) · Listen from 1:43:34
Disappearance of William Neil McCasland
Grusch notes General McCasland disappeared within a week of Trump's UAP declassification order.
“General McCaslin, who disappeared within a week of Trump giving the declassification order on UAP in February 2026”
The Joe Rogan Experience: #2560 - David Grusch (Sep 30, 2026) · Listen from 1:00:56
Accident Measures Agreement
Grusch says Article 3 of the 1971 U.S.–Soviet Accident Measures Agreement addresses unidentified objects.
“you'll see Article 3 of the treaty talks about UAP”
The Joe Rogan Experience: #2560 - David Grusch (Sep 30, 2026) · Listen from 36:41
Predictions
1 pending
- Prediction · due Jan 2029
Grusch predicts that everything he testified about will be officially released before Trump's term ends.
“So I believe before Trump's term ends that it's all going to come out”
The Joe Rogan Experience: #2560 - David Grusch (Sep 30, 2026) · Listen from 23:39 · Unidentified flying objects and government disclosure
Appearances
#2560 - David GruschThe Joe Rogan Experience · Sep 30, 2026 · 2 h 36 min
Former intelligence officer David Grusch tells Joe Rogan about alleged retaliation against him, recovered non-human craft and beings, and expected UAP disclosure under Trump.
Discussed in
#2526 - JD VanceThe Joe Rogan Experience · Jul 15, 2026 · 2 h 60 min
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Often appears with
- Joe Rogan · 1 shared episode