Ray McGovern
Former CIA analyst of 27 years and co-founder of Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity
Ray McGovern (Former CIA analyst of 27 years and co-founder of Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity) has appeared as a guest on 1 episode in TMT. Topics they speak about most include Russian invasion of Ukraine, USS Liberty incident, United States war with Iran.
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McGovern suggests the Saudi monarchy is near collapse amid Houthi attacks.
“it looks like the House of Saud is finally for the history books”
Danny Jones Podcast: #442 - "It Wasn't Russia" 27-Year CIA Agent Drops DNC Hack Bombshell | Ray McGovern (Oct 24, 2026) · Listen from 2:29:52
- Prediction · due Oct 2027
McGovern predicts that German Chancellor Merz will be out within months and Macron within less than a year.
“I wouldn't give Maltz in Germany many more months and Macron not even got a year left, probably less”
Danny Jones Podcast: #442 - "It Wasn't Russia" 27-Year CIA Agent Drops DNC Hack Bombshell | Ray McGovern (Oct 24, 2026) · Listen from 1:49:17
McGovern predicts that no consequences will befall Comey, Brennan, Clapper or complicit DOJ officials because of deep-state strength.
“I don't think anything is going to happen to either Comey or Brennan or Clapper or any of the people in DOJ”
Danny Jones Podcast: #442 - "It Wasn't Russia" 27-Year CIA Agent Drops DNC Hack Bombshell | Ray McGovern (Oct 24, 2026) · Listen from 1:16:10
Russian invasion of Ukraine
McGovern asserts Putin will win in Ukraine and that Trump will allow it for lack of alternatives.
“He's going to win in Ukraine. That much is clear. And Trump's going to let him because he doesn't have any other choice”
Danny Jones Podcast: #442 - "It Wasn't Russia" 27-Year CIA Agent Drops DNC Hack Bombshell | Ray McGovern (Oct 24, 2026) · Listen from 1:17:51
McGovern speculates that Putin sought Xi Jinping's blessing in February 2022 and might have been more reluctant to invade without it.
“if Putin didn't get the blessing from this great big brother, I mean, great big brother, he may have been more reluctant to do this”
Danny Jones Podcast: #442 - "It Wasn't Russia" 27-Year CIA Agent Drops DNC Hack Bombshell | Ray McGovern (Oct 24, 2026) · Listen from 30:04
McGovern claims that in a December 2021 call Biden pledged not to place offensive strike missiles in Ukraine, a commitment later disowned by his administration.
“And the readout says the President of the United States pledged not to put offensive strike missiles in Ukraine”
Danny Jones Podcast: #442 - "It Wasn't Russia" 27-Year CIA Agent Drops DNC Hack Bombshell | Ray McGovern (Oct 24, 2026) · Listen from 23:32
USS Liberty incident
McGovern leans toward the theory that Israel attacked the Liberty to hide its imminent move on the Golan Heights.
“I lean toward the one about the Golan Heights. They did go up the next day”
Danny Jones Podcast: #442 - "It Wasn't Russia" 27-Year CIA Agent Drops DNC Hack Bombshell | Ray McGovern (Oct 24, 2026) · Listen from 2:50:51
McGovern argues that the US cover-up of the USS Liberty attack taught Israel it could act against the US without consequence.
“In other words, the Israelis learned that they could get away with murder”
Danny Jones Podcast: #442 - "It Wasn't Russia" 27-Year CIA Agent Drops DNC Hack Bombshell | Ray McGovern (Oct 24, 2026) · Listen from 2:37:12
United States war with Iran
McGovern says his main concern is that Netanyahu might resort to nuclear weapons.
“So, yeah, my main concern is that Netanyahu will go nuclear”
Danny Jones Podcast: #442 - "It Wasn't Russia" 27-Year CIA Agent Drops DNC Hack Bombshell | Ray McGovern (Oct 24, 2026) · Listen from 2:08:24
McGovern argues Iran poses no threat to the United States and that the war is an Israeli operation.
“Well, I guess one starts with the fact that Iran is no threat to the United States”
Danny Jones Podcast: #442 - "It Wasn't Russia" 27-Year CIA Agent Drops DNC Hack Bombshell | Ray McGovern (Oct 24, 2026) · Listen from 1:51:13
Enlargement of NATO
McGovern argues NATO is effectively finished because the US will no longer back it over Ukraine.
“Now, NATO is no more. And for those who think that the Europeans can kind of get Trump or any other president to come back in for Ukraine, misled”
Danny Jones Podcast: #442 - "It Wasn't Russia" 27-Year CIA Agent Drops DNC Hack Bombshell | Ray McGovern (Oct 24, 2026) · Listen from 38:17
McGovern recounts that a Gorbachev aide told him the 1990 no-expansion promise was unwritten because the Soviets trusted the US, trust that evaporated when Clinton enlarged NATO.
“but the real reason Mr. McGovern was we trusted you. So trust evaporated when Clinton allowed all these other East European countries to get into NATO”
Danny Jones Podcast: #442 - "It Wasn't Russia" 27-Year CIA Agent Drops DNC Hack Bombshell | Ray McGovern (Oct 24, 2026) · Listen from 10:26
Israel lobby in the United States
McGovern believes automatic US support for Israel is eroding, especially among younger people, which could shape the midterms.
“I think that one of the main factors is that the automatic favoring of Israel is no longer the case, especially among younger people”
Danny Jones Podcast: #442 - "It Wasn't Russia" 27-Year CIA Agent Drops DNC Hack Bombshell | Ray McGovern (Oct 24, 2026) · Listen from 2:16:45
Iraq War
McGovern maintains that intelligence used to justify the Iraq invasion was deliberately corrupted rather than mistaken.
“the intelligence was corrupted to justify, in quotes, the attack on Iran, on Iraq. Right. In other words, it wasn't a mistake, okay?”
Danny Jones Podcast: #442 - "It Wasn't Russia" 27-Year CIA Agent Drops DNC Hack Bombshell | Ray McGovern (Oct 24, 2026) · Listen from 1:57:01
2007 National Intelligence Estimate on Iran
McGovern proposes that Trump end the Iran war by declaring victory on the basis that Iran stopped nuclear weapons work in 2003, as the 2007 NIE found.
“he's got to give. He's got to make some concessions. And I have a plan for him”
Danny Jones Podcast: #442 - "It Wasn't Russia" 27-Year CIA Agent Drops DNC Hack Bombshell | Ray McGovern (Oct 24, 2026) · Listen from 1:53:54
Assassination of John F. Kennedy
McGovern believes Allen Dulles was the main orchestrator of the Kennedy assassination.
“Alan Dulles, the head of the CIA who was canned by Kennedy for the Bay of Pigs invasion, stupid thing, I think he was pretty much the main orchestrator”
Danny Jones Podcast: #442 - "It Wasn't Russia" 27-Year CIA Agent Drops DNC Hack Bombshell | Ray McGovern (Oct 24, 2026) · Listen from 1:31:58
Murder of Seth Rich
McGovern suggests that the absence of exfiltration evidence points to Seth Rich as the prime candidate for the DNC leak.
“So it supports the hypothesis that whoever it was, and there is one prime candidate, His name is Rich, Seth Rich”
Danny Jones Podcast: #442 - "It Wasn't Russia" 27-Year CIA Agent Drops DNC Hack Bombshell | Ray McGovern (Oct 24, 2026) · Listen from 1:02:05
Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity
McGovern says former NSA technical directors in VIPS had shown by December 2016 that the DNC breach was an inside job, not a Russian hack.
“we, that is our former technical directors of NSA, had already proven that it had to be an inside job. It wasn't a Russian hack”
Danny Jones Podcast: #442 - "It Wasn't Russia" 27-Year CIA Agent Drops DNC Hack Bombshell | Ray McGovern (Oct 24, 2026) · Listen from 52:56
2016 Democratic National Committee email leak
McGovern contends Democrats deliberately blamed Russia for the DNC leak to divert attention from emails showing the primary was tilted against Bernie Sanders.
“there was a considered decision there at the Democratic National Convention to blame the Russians”
Danny Jones Podcast: #442 - "It Wasn't Russia" 27-Year CIA Agent Drops DNC Hack Bombshell | Ray McGovern (Oct 24, 2026) · Listen from 44:56
2022 Russia–Ukraine peace negotiations
McGovern says Boris Johnson told Ukraine to reject the initialed Istanbul agreement because the goal was weakening Russia.
“This is not about your problems. It's about weakening Russia. We're going to support you for as long as it takes”
Danny Jones Podcast: #442 - "It Wasn't Russia" 27-Year CIA Agent Drops DNC Hack Bombshell | Ray McGovern (Oct 24, 2026) · Listen from 33:58
Predictions
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- Prediction · due Oct 2027
McGovern predicts that German Chancellor Merz will be out within months and Macron within less than a year.
“I wouldn't give Maltz in Germany many more months and Macron not even got a year left, probably less”
Danny Jones Podcast: #442 - "It Wasn't Russia" 27-Year CIA Agent Drops DNC Hack Bombshell | Ray McGovern (Oct 24, 2026) · Listen from 1:49:17
Appearances
#442 - "It Wasn't Russia" 27-Year CIA Agent Drops DNC Hack Bombshell | Ray McGovernDanny Jones Podcast · Oct 24, 2026 · 3 h 1 min
Former CIA analyst Ray McGovern tells Danny Jones about NATO expansion and Ukraine, the DNC leak and Seth Rich, JFK, Iran, and the USS Liberty.
Often appears with
- Danny Jones · 1 shared episode