What Vanessa Van Edwards has said about Small talk

Van Edwards argues that scripted questions such as "How are you?" and "What do you do?" push people into autopilot.

“So these last two, how are you and what do you do? They're very socially scripted, right? The moment we ask those questions, our brain goes into autopilot”

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Van Edwards argues that conversation should seek stories rather than facts.

“I truly believe a fact is a stop sign. A story is a doorway”

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Van Edwards contends that communication friction harms company performance and that easy small talk improves productivity.

“When you have a company that has a lot of communication friction, you have employees who doubt themselves”

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Van Edwards cites the peak-end effect to argue that the ending of a conversation matters as much as the first impression.

“So there's a behavior concept, the peak-end effect, that we remember the first few minutes of a conversation and the last few minutes of conversation”

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