#426 - "I Scanned Egypt's Labyrinth & the Results Got Me Exiled" (Scans Revealed) | Louis De Cordier
Episode of Danny Jones Podcast · August 28, 2026 · 2 h 36 min
Belgian researcher Louis De Cordier tells Danny Jones how his 2008 geophysical survey of Egypt's Hawara labyrinth got him blacklisted, and what later scans revealed.
Summary
Louis De Cordier described how he moved from conceptual art involving radio telescopes to organizing the 2008 Mataha Expedition, a geophysical survey at Hawara conducted with Ghent University and Egypt's National Research Institute for Astronomy and Geophysics. He said the survey used seven or eight technologies across two large plots and confirmed extensive walls and rooms beneath a large stone foundation plate first identified by Flinders Petrie in 1888. After the results were published and presented at a large conference in Ghent that attracted international press, De Cordier said Egyptian collaborators were pressured to withdraw the material and he was placed on a blacklist barring him from the country.
De Cordier attributed the reaction to site security concerns and to the maintenance of academic consensus, noting that the labyrinth had become linked in the press to lost civilizations and a "hall of records." He discussed the 1820 canal, built after Napoleon's visit, that he said flooded the pyramid entrance and made deep exploration impossible, and reported that the Egyptian government began its own excavation at Hawara in March, though still at shallow depth. He also described satellite scans from 2014–2015, processed by former Royal Air Force specialist Tim Akers and by Merlin Burrows, which he said showed large voids down to 100 meters and a roughly 40-meter metallic object in a central atrium — data he said was held under NDAs for over a decade. He proposed a self-contained "moon base"-style field research station using narrow boreholes, cameras, laser void scanners and nano-drones, and said he is building a Hawara data archive to run large language models over ancient texts.
The conversation broadened to the pyramids, which De Cordier argued were not tombs but possibly encoded blueprints of advanced knowledge; the precision vases and the Serapeum of Saqqara; and the age of Egyptian monuments, which he doubted were only around 5,000 years old. He also discussed the Bibliotheca del Sol, an underground library and seed store he built in Spain's Sierra Nevada as a cultural ark against a solar catastrophe, and outlined views on grand solar minima, cosmic rays and cloud formation, the Younger Dryas as a solar event, primary water, and Earth expansion theory.
The episode closed with De Cordier's beekeeping work in Spain, where he argued that bee colonies self-organize without hierarchy, that pesticides and electromagnetic pollution drive die-offs, and, citing Rudolf Steiner, that humanity cannot survive without bees. He said his next steps include the Hawara field station, involvement in a Giza subsurface project, and work on an underground site near Sacsayhuamán in Cusco.
Chapters
- 2:03
From art to the labyrinth
De Cordier explains how conceptual art with radio telescopes led him to ancient Egypt and the labyrinth as a supposed stone library.
- 6:58
The 2008 Mataha Expedition
He describes the geophysical survey at Hawara, the foundation plate found by Flinders Petrie, and the rooms detected beneath it.
- 12:44
Publication, backlash and blacklisting
De Cordier recounts the Ghent conference, press coverage, Egyptian pressure to withdraw the findings, and his ban from Egypt.
- 19:42
National security and the 1820 canal
He discusses armed guards, academic status quo, and the canal built after Napoleon's visit that flooded the pyramid entrance.
- 27:59
Current Egyptian excavation at Hawara
De Cordier reports that Egypt began excavating the site in March and questions how deep they intend to go.
- 35:10
Satellite scans and the metallic object
He explains the 2015 Merlin Burrows scans, the central atrium, NDAs, and a roughly 40-meter metallic element.
- 48:01
Circle of gold and precession
Speculation about orichalcum, electrum, Albert Slosman's circle of gold, and precessional cycles as cataclysm calculators.
- 58:41
New methodologies and a desert field station
De Cordier proposes non-intrusive boreholes, laser void scanners and an autonomous research station modeled on a moon base.
- 1:03:44
Biondi scans, Giza and power plant theories
The two discuss the Biondi scans, Schumann resonance, orgone accumulators, and Christopher Dunn's power plant hypothesis.
- 1:22:27
Pyramids, vases and the Serapeum
They debate whether pyramids were tombs, the provenance of precision vases, and the diorite boxes of the Serapeum.
- 1:49:07
Bibliotheca del Sol and solar catastrophe
De Cordier describes his underground library in Spain and outlines solar minima, Carrington and Miyake events.
- 1:55:54
Cosmic rays, Younger Dryas and Earth expansion
Discussion of Svensmark's cloud research, solar nova theories, primary water, and expanding Earth theory.
- 2:16:58
Beekeeping and hive organization
De Cordier explains his beekeeping, hive self-organization, pesticide and EMF-related die-offs, and bee shamanism.
- 2:30:41
Next steps
He outlines plans for the Hawara field station, a Giza subsurface project, and work near Sacsayhuamán in Cusco.
Key points
What was said, by whom, with the exact words. Timestamps jump to the moment.
- Louis De Cordier
De Cordier argues the labyrinth was described as a giant stone library containing all the information of the ancients.
“It's always been described as being this giant stone library with over 3,000 rooms full of hieroglyphs, the Hall of Records, all the information of the ancients, so the big library”
- Louis De Cordier
De Cordier says the Mataha Expedition was the largest geophysical survey ever done on an Egyptian archaeological site at the time.
“at the time, according to the National Research Institute, it was the biggest geophysical survey in Egypt ever been done on an archaeological site”
- Louis De Cordier
De Cordier reports that the survey found hundreds of rooms and large walls beneath the giant stone foundation plate.
“they found like hundreds and hundreds of rooms and enormous big walls and grid structures. So they confirmed the existence of still huge remains”
- Louis De Cordier
De Cordier says Egyptian collaborators were threatened and asked him to pull the published findings, after which he was blacklisted.
“you are put on the blacklist and you're not able to enter egypt anymore”
- Louis De Cordier
De Cordier believes the findings became sensitive because the labyrinth was linked in the press to lost civilizations and halls of records.
“the labyrinth suddenly was connected to lost civilizations and and giant halls of records and so on and and it that it left the sphere of normal archaeology”
- Louis De Cordier
De Cordier argues the 1820 canal was deliberately routed through the site and submerged the labyrinth's entrance.
“in 1820 there was a canal dug over the whole site which set the whole part surrounding the the pyramid itself underwater”
- Louis De Cordier
De Cordier says the Egyptian government began excavating at Hawara in March without first draining the site as his preservation plan proposed.
“they started excavating and they are still excavating and it was complete shock”
- Louis De Cordier
De Cordier maintains that structures above 20 meters are built from blocks while everything below is carved from bedrock.
“everything above 20 meters is built, like these blocks built, but everything below 20 meters is carved out of the mud rock, out of the bedrock”
- Louis De Cordier
De Cordier says satellite scans revealed enormous bedrock-carved spaces, one about 100 meters long and 40 meters wide.
“the spaces below that are carved out of the bedrock are enormous. One space is around 100 meters long and 40 meters wide”
- Louis De Cordier
De Cordier reveals that scan data showing a large central element was kept under NDAs for over a decade.
“what we hide for so many years after NDAs and so on is that the central atrium contains as well like a gigantic element”
- Louis De Cordier
De Cordier describes the detected object as metallic, freestanding and around 40 meters in size.
“the element is metallic so not stone uh and and not wood so it's like an object an object which is huge for an object it's freestanding it's around 40 meters”
- Louis De Cordier
De Cordier relays that the scan specialist said the object is metallic but of unknown composition, possibly orichalcum or electrum.
“he said that this element there is definitely metallic, but he doesn't know exactly what kind of metal, because he never saw it”
- Louis De Cordier
De Cordier proposes feeding ancient texts into AI systems knowledgeable in multiple sciences to produce deeper translations.
“if you are able to feed this this technology i'd have to say these these texts into an ai system that's very knowledgeable about all these sciences”
- Louis De Cordier
De Cordier advocates non-intrusive archaeology using boreholes, cameras and laser void scanners rather than destructive digging.
“now we can do non-intrusive archeology, like with pin pole, like bore holes, and then putting in cameras and laser void scanners, like in a very sophisticated space age way”
- Louis De Cordier
De Cordier suggests the Biondi structures could resemble orgone accumulators and activate if the Schumann resonance shifts back.
“as soon as a schumann resonance shifts again in its former resonance the whole structure starts becomes like active again”
- Louis De Cordier
De Cordier argues climate change is driven by cyclical cosmic and solar processes rather than by cars and cows.
“it creates yeah climate change but not in the way that we are being told in the sense that cars and and cows right it's create climate change it's like a a giant uh cosmic cyclical thing”
- Danny Jones
Jones relays Jeffrey Drum's criticism that the Biondi team's 3D renderings depart substantially from their raw radar data.
“They were being very liberal with how they interpreted the raw data”
- Louis De Cordier
De Cordier says Biondi's team is now scanning Hawara, making the labyrinth the next target after Giza.
“the next scan after giza is going to be the is is the the labyrinth of egypt”
- Louis De Cordier
De Cordier states he does not believe the pyramids were tombs, citing the absence of mummies.
“I don't think they were tombs”
- Louis De Cordier
De Cordier suggests the pyramids may encode blueprints of chemical knowledge rather than having functioned as fertilizer plants.
“not therefore using them so as much as a fertilizer plant themselves, but saying from, these are the blueprints of how you can do it”
- Louis De Cordier
De Cordier says he is not willing to accept that the great pyramids are only about 5,000 years old without further evidence.
“i will need some more more evidence yeah to to to be convinced that that the big pyramids are just five thousand years old”
- Louis De Cordier
De Cordier describes building a high-mountain underground library in Spain as a cultural ark against a civilization-ending solar storm.
“it was going to be or is a cultural arc in case that we had like a solar storm that would fry- A solar storm?”
- Louis De Cordier
De Cordier argues the Younger Dryas was primarily a solar event rather than solely a meteorite impact.
“So we might be dealing with like a solar nova event”
- Louis De Cordier
De Cordier claims the Earth's crust holds eight to ten times more water than all the oceans combined.
“in the crust of the earth, there's eight to 10 times more water than in all the oceans together”
- Louis De Cordier
De Cordier says beehives are organized from the middle without hierarchy, with the queen serving only as a breeding mother.
“all of the organization of the hive is not hierarchical it's uh it's coming from it's organized from from the middle”
Linked moment · 2:22:39Skip to 2:22:39 using a listen link in the info box.
Louis De CordierDe Cordier attributes large bee die-offs in Europe to 5G and electromagnetic pollution alongside agricultural chemicals.
“they also say that the bee die-offs, which are huge, are related to 5G and the electromagnetic pollution”
- Louis De Cordier
De Cordier cites Rudolf Steiner's claim that humanity cannot survive without bees.
“Steiner said, Rudolf Steiner, when the bees go away, humanity is about to die as well. Because without bees, mankind cannot survive”
People
In the conversation
- Danny JonesAmerican podcaster and host of the Danny Jones Podcast
- Louis De CordierBelgian artist and researcher who led the 2008 Mataha Expedition searching for the Lost Labyrinth of Egypt
Discussed
- Zahi HawassEgyptian archaeologist and former antiquities minister
- Flinders PetrieBritish Egyptologist who excavated at Hawara in 1888
- Graham HancockBritish writer on alternative history and lost civilizations
- HerodotusAncient Greek historian who described the Egyptian labyrinth
- Diodorus SiculusAncient Greek historian who wrote about the labyrinths of Egypt and Crete
- Tim AkersFormer Royal Air Force satellite scanning specialist who produced the Hawara satellite scans
- Albert SlosmanFrench researcher and code-breaker who translated the Egyptian Book of the Dead
- Christopher DunnEngineer and author of The Giza Power Plant
- Henrik SvensmarkDanish physicist researching cosmic rays and cloud formation
- Robert SchochGeologist known for redating the Sphinx and solar catastrophe research
- Rudolf SteinerAustrian esotericist whose theory of planetary spheres informs Norman's new series
- Wilhelm ReichPsychoanalyst who developed the concept of orgone energy
- Napoleon BonaparteFrench leader whose expedition visited Egypt
- PlatoAncient Greek philosopher who described orichalcum in Critias
- Fekri HassanGeoarchaeologist involved in the Hawara Master Preservation Plan
- John Anthony WestAmerican author on alternative Egyptology
- Flint DibbleArchaeologist known for debating alternative history claims
Topics
- Lost Labyrinth of Egypt
- Mataha Expedition
- Hawara
- Merlin Burrows satellite scans
- Giza pyramid complex
- Bibliotheca del Sol
- Beekeeping
- Ancient Egyptian precision vases
- Younger Dryas
- Grand solar minimum
- Serapeum of Saqqara
- Carrington Event
- Expanding Earth theory
- Orichalcum
- Göbekli Tepe
- Cosmic rays and cloud formation
- Supreme Council of Antiquities
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From the publisher
Watch every episode ad-free & uncensored on Patreon: https://patreon.com/dannyjones Louis de Cordier is a Belgian researcher who led the 2008 Mataha Expedition looking for the Lost Labyrinth of Egypt. When he published the results in a scientific journal, he was blacklisted from Egypt. SPONSORS https://whiterabbitenergy.com/?ref=DJP - Use code DJP for 20% off. EPISODE LINKS https://labyrinthofegypt.substack.com *NEW* DJP MERCH https://dannyjonespodcast.com FOLLOW DANNY JONES https://www.instagram.com/dannyjones https://twitter.com/jonesdanny OUTLINE 00:00 - The expedition that got Louis banned from Egypt 02:14 - Why Egypt's labyrinth is history's biggest mystery 05:03 - The Mataha Expedition 11:20 - Egypt was afraid of Louis' findings 17:46 - Louis' expedition was a national security threat 19:58 - The 1820 river canal that flooded the Egyptian labyrinth 24:52 - Consensus denies a labyrinth exists in Hawara 27:51 - They're excavating Egypt's labyrinth right now 33:39 - 2015 scans of the labyrinth 40:34 - 40m metallic object detected in Egypt's labyrinth 47:58 - Labyrinth's object could be a "circle of gold" 54:14 - How old the labyrinth could be 56:46 - New excavation methodologies to explore the labyrinth 01:01:48 - The Biondi scans might validate "power plant" theory 01:11:49 - Egypt's view on the Biondi scans 01:20:31 - The Pyramids WEREN'T tombs 01:25:54 - Newest study on Egyptian vases 01:32:39 - The Serapeum of Saqqara 01:37:43 - The Pyramids are older than we're told 01:43:49 - New excavations at Gobekli Tepe 01:47:42 - The Biblioteca del Sol 01:53:59 - Henrik Svensmark's cosmic ray research 02:00:29 - Younger Dryas was a cataclysmic solar event 02:09:41 - Earth Expansion Theory 02:15:33 - Louis' beekeeping project 02:21:10 - Mankind does not survive without bees 02:29:00 - Next steps in Louis' research Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Summary, chapters and key points were generated from the episode transcript on September 27, 2026. Quotes are checked word for word against the transcript.