#444 - Something Very Strange Is Happening at The Vatican | Exiled Minister

Episode of Danny Jones Podcast · October 30, 2026 · 2 h 16 min

Danny Jones interviews defrocked Canadian minister Kevin Annett about residential school deaths, alleged Vatican–China ties, mind-control experiments, his blacklisting, and a Vatican exorcism.

Summary

Kevin Annett, a former United Church of Canada minister, described how his work with Indigenous communities on Vancouver Island in the early 1990s led to his firing and defrocking after he questioned a church land deal with logging company MacMillan Bloedel. He argued that he has since been blacklisted in Canada, alleging the church funded his ex-wife's divorce litigation and that he was barred from speaking at a Vancouver school in 2024. Annett claimed that Indian residential schools deliberately spread tuberculosis, citing the 1907–1909 reports of Dr. Peter Bryce, and estimated 60,000 to 80,000 child deaths, far above official figures.

Annett made numerous further allegations, many contested or unsupported by mainstream sources: that China effectively controls parts of Canada through investment agreements, that the Vatican finances Chinese expansion, that his International Tribunal into Crimes of Church and State forced the resignation of Pope Benedict XVI in 2013, that Nazi doctors including Josef Mengele worked in Canada, and that Cardinal Timothy Dolan channeled church money into Neuralink. Jones occasionally fact-checked claims live, noting for instance that a Canadian investigation concluded Mengele never entered Canada.

The pair discussed MKUltra, Michael Persinger's God Helmet, Edward Bernays and propaganda, AI and surveillance, psychedelic churches, and the decline of American power. Jones voiced concern about tech companies and government courting influencer pastors and pushed back on Annett's view that tithing congregants are legally complicit in church crimes. Annett recounted an exorcism he performed in St. Peter's Square in 2009 and a possession case in a Native community, describing spiritual entities that feed on people. In a closing Patreon segment he rebutted a listener's claim that no bodies had been found, calling such views government-backed denialism.

Chapters

  1. 1:13

    Blacklisting and the Trudeau family

    Annett introduces his blacklisting in Canada and repeats stories about the Trudeau family and alleged MKUltra links.

  2. 3:13

    Ministry in Port Alberni and residential schools

    Annett recounts becoming a minister, learning of deaths at the Alberni Indian Residential School, and being fired over a church land deal.

  3. 10:13

    Death rates and the Bryce reports

    Annett cites Peter Bryce's records and estimates tens of thousands of child deaths, comparing them to Nazi camps.

  4. 17:20

    China, the Vatican and Canada

    Annett alleges Chinese control of Canadian resources, Highway of Tears disappearances, and Vatican funding of the Belt and Road Initiative.

  5. 26:33

    Defrocking and the tribunal against Pope Benedict

    Annett describes his public defrocking, activist campaigns, and claims his common-law tribunal forced Benedict XVI's resignation.

  6. 32:37

    Bones, experiments and Nazis in Canada

    Annett discusses excavations at Brantford, alleged medical experiments on children, Mengele, and the Jasenovac camp.

  7. 46:02

    American decline, Big Pharma and Neuralink

    The pair discuss oligarchy and China's rise while Annett alleges church–pharma drug testing deals and Vatican funding of Neuralink.

  8. 55:58

    AI as God, reason and psychedelic churches

    Jones raises tech outreach to pastors and psychedelic churches; Annett discusses deism, Thomas Paine and religion as mass mind control.

  9. 1:05:41

    Mind control, Bernays and Persinger

    They discuss electronic mind control, Edward Bernays, the coming crash, and Michael Persinger's God Helmet and dissociation.

  10. 1:26:43

    AI weapons, Canadian culture and media control

    Discussion of AI-designed bioweapons, a Russian plague story, Canadian deference to authority, and Annett's KPFA interview being cut.

  11. 1:39:18

    Indigenous Canada and churches above the law

    Annett describes reserve life, a 1996 electric chair report, and argues churches operate outside the law; Jones disputes tithers' complicity.

  12. 1:47:44

    Exorcisms and spiritual parasites

    Annett recounts his 2009 Vatican exorcism, a possession case, and his view of the devil as a real but unpersonified force.

  13. 2:05:16

    Patreon questions

    Annett rebuts a listener's skepticism about missing bodies and discusses his motivations and resources.

Key points

What was said, by whom, with the exact words. Timestamps jump to the moment.

  • Kevin Annett

    Annett claims the Trudeau government allowed China to station troops in Canada to protect its oil and gas interests.

    “the Trudeau government gave China the right to station troops on Canadian soil to protect all its oil and gas in the West and up North”

    Listen from 1:42 · China–Canada relations

  • Kevin Annett

    Annett cites Dr. Peter Bryce's government-commissioned 1909 inspection as evidence of mass deaths in the schools.

    “He was commissioned by the Canadian government in 1909 to go and do a health inspection of all these Indian schools”

    Listen from 10:38 · Canadian Indian residential school system

  • Kevin Annett

    Annett estimates 60,000 to 80,000 children died in the schools between 1891 and 1996.

    “probably 60,000 to 80,000 children. Because we just calculated from the number of schools and the average death rate”

    Listen from 13:29 · Canadian Indian residential school system

  • Kevin Annett

    Annett argues the Truth and Reconciliation Commission's figure of about 3,000 deaths contradicts official mortality data.

    “And they said only 3,000 died, which contradicts their own figures of half of them dying every year”

    Listen from 14:00 · Truth and Reconciliation Commission of Canada

  • Kevin Annett

    Annett alleges disappearances along the Highway of Tears result from China and the RCMP clearing Native people from gas-rich land.

    “the Chinese, with help from the Royal Canadian Mounted Police, are clearing out Native people from the whole area”

    Listen from 18:47 · China–Canada relations

  • Kevin Annett

    Annett says the church paid his ex-wife's lawyer more than $60,000 so he would lose custody of his children.

    “They paid her lawyer over $60,000 to make sure that I lost custody of the kids and went through hell, basically”

    Listen from 26:48 · United Church of Canada

  • Kevin Annett

    Annett states he was the only minister in United Church history to be publicly defrocked.

    “I was the only minister in United Church history ever to be publicly defrocked”

    Listen from 27:24 · United Church of Canada

  • Kevin Annett

    Annett claims Pope Benedict XVI resigned six days before his common-law tribunal delivered its verdict.

    “six days before our verdict came in he resigns the first pope to resign in 600 years”

    Listen from 42:00 · Resignation of Pope Benedict XVI

  • Linked moment · 51:03Skip to 51:03 using a listen link in the info box.

    Kevin Annett

    Annett alleges, citing church sources, that Cardinal Timothy Dolan channeled over $300 million in Catholic charitable funds into Neuralink.

    “Tim Dolan channeled over $300 million from the Catholic Relief Agency, this is charitable agencies, into Neuralink”

    Listen from 51:03 · Brain-machine interfaces

  • Danny Jones

    Jones doubts the public will adopt brain chips, arguing people are growing disillusioned with technology and social media.

    “I think people are really waking up to how terrible that stuff is for our minds”

    Listen from 52:42 · Brain-machine interfaces

  • Danny Jones

    Jones speculates that loosened online speech rules may serve to let AI profile every user ahead of a future crackdown.

    “can they use something like, I don't know, one of these AIs to do an analysis of every single person on that platform”

    Listen from 54:04 · Artificial intelligence

  • Danny Jones

    Jones argues that letting pastors give psychedelics to congregations would empower leaders and risk creating cults.

    “That would not be like, that's how you lead to a suicide cult in my opinion”

    Listen from 1:02:09 · Psychedelic churches

  • Kevin Annett

    Annett asserts that religious believers are statistically more likely than atheists to commit crimes because religion lets them defer moral responsibility.

    “you're more likely to kill somebody or commit a crime if you believe in God than if you're an atheist, statistically”

    Listen from 1:05:20 · Catholic Church

  • Kevin Annett

    Annett predicts a severe economic crash in North America, worsened by North Americans' lack of experience with hardship.

    “I think there is a big crash coming in North America”

    Listen from 1:12:25

  • Kevin Annett

    Annett claims Michael Persinger received CIA funding to develop the God Helmet.

    “And he was getting CIA money to create that”

    Listen from 1:21:41 · God Helmet

  • Kevin Annett

    Annett recounts that KPFA host Dennis Bernstein cut off their interview after he mentioned China buying up the West Coast.

    “I mentioned China buying up the West Coast. He turns off the mic and takes a break and says, sorry, Kevin, we got to stop the interview”

    Listen from 1:35:30 · China–Canada relations

  • Kevin Annett

    Annett argues that congregants who fund a criminal church are legally complicit even if unaware.

    “Under the law, ignorance of a crime is no defense. That's kind of basic. They taught me that in first-year law”

    Listen from 1:44:02 · Catholic Church

  • Danny Jones

    Jones counters that tithing congregants are victims of manipulative church leaders rather than accomplices.

    “they're preying on vulnerable people right to fund their operation and straight up lying to them”

    Listen from 1:46:32 · Catholic Church

  • Kevin Annett

    Annett links his 2009 exorcism in St. Peter's Square to a tornado that struck Rome the following morning.

    “The next morning, a tornado hits Rome for the first time in 48 years”

    Listen from 1:52:15 · Exorcism

  • Kevin Annett

    Annett says every excavation his group conducted with elders' approval yielded human bones.

    “Every time we dug up bones with the elders' approval, proved to be human”

    Listen from 2:06:54 · Canadian Indian residential school system

  • Kevin Annett

    Annett characterizes skepticism about residential school deaths as a government-sponsored form of denialism.

    “this is a whole movement that began sponsored by the Canadian government online to try to create our own domestic Holocaust denial”

    Listen from 2:07:04 · Canadian Indian residential school system

People

In the conversation

  • Danny JonesAmerican podcaster and host of the Danny Jones Podcast
  • Kevin AnnettFormer United Church of Canada minister, author and activist known for allegations about Canadian residential schools

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Watch every episode ad-free & uncensored on Patreon: https://patreon.com/dannyjones Kevin is an ex-minister and Vatican whistleblower. SPONSORS https://mogul.com/jones - Join the fastest-growing real estate investing platform in the country. https://takeultra.com - Use code DANNY for 15% off. https://whiterabbitenergy.com/?ref=DJP - Use code DJP for 20% off. EPISODE LINKS https://murderbydecree.com *NEW* DJP MERCH https://dannyjonespodcast.com Get paid to make clips from the show: https://discord.com/invite/dannyjones FOLLOW DANNY JONES https://www.instagram.com/dannyjones https://twitter.com/jonesdanny OUTLINE 00:00 - Being Blacklisted in Canada & the Trudeau Family 03:28 - Environmental Genocide & How Canada Killed Thousands of Natives 16:13 - China Secretly Runs the Catholic Church & Canada 25:27 - How Kevin got Blacklisted 31:30 - Forcing Pope Benedict's Resignation & Church Experiments on Children 36:52 - Josef Mengele & Nazis in Canada 39:19 - The Vatican's Death Camps 44:56 - China's Growing Power & Church Experiments in America 48:34 - Big Pharma & Churches Working Together on Drug Test Experiments 55:27 - Making AI Into a God & Reason vs. Religion 01:02:17 - Mass Mind-Control & Psychedelics in Church 01:04:40 - Neuralink & Prototype Mind Control Experiments 01:10:52 - "There's a Big Crash Coming in North America" 01:15:05 - Exiled from Canada & the Illusion of Democracy 01:19:47 - Dr. Michael Persinger's God Helmet & Splitting Personalities 01:27:48 - AI Weapons, Russian Plague & Dissociation 01:31:40 - Canada's Leadership & Who Runs the Media 01:38:11 - Indigenous Groups in Canada & How Churches Avoid the Law 01:48:28 - Kevin's Exorcism & Tentacles of a Multidimensional Reality 02:00:06 - What the "Devil" Really Is 02:04:09 - Patreon Questions Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Summary, chapters and key points were generated from the episode transcript on November 8, 2026. Quotes are checked word for word against the transcript.

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