Muslim Leader Exposes Who’s Really Controlling War | DSH #1961

Episode of Digital Social Hour · May 12, 2026 · 48 min

Attorney Hassan Shibly tells Sean Kelly about charity in Islam, and argues that Israel's influence is driving the U.S. war with Iran and Islamophobia.

Summary

Hassan Shibly returned to Digital Social Hour for his second appearance. He opened with Islamic teachings on wealth and charity, arguing that money beyond a modest monthly income brings little pleasure and that gratitude must be expressed through giving. He recounted traditions about the Prophet Muhammad refusing to hoard wealth and choosing to be a humble servant rather than a king.

Shibly then argued that Islam is targeted by corrupt elites because its moral teachings challenge systems built on war, interest and hedonism. He asserted that Jeffrey Epstein was a Mossad agent, that President Trump had dragged the United States into Israel's war with Iran, and that pro-Israel funders had spent heavily to foster fear of Muslims among Americans. He cited the Fear, Inc. reports and the documentary Reel Bad Arabs, criticized Senators Lindsey Graham and Ted Cruz, and described a conversation with a Zionist who told him God had promised a greater Israel. Kelly largely agreed, remarking that many veterans on his show were 'waking up' and that Trump's second term was damaging his legacy.

Shibly called Israel the greatest threat to Americans, cited the USS Liberty and the JFK assassination, and warned of martial law, digital surveillance and social media censorship, mentioning his own TikTok ban. He said the U.S. had already failed in its war aim of immediate regime change and feared escalation. He closed on faith, the afterlife and resurrection, saying belief kept him from fear, and described a friendly encounter with a pro-Israel Christian preacher he hoped to debate.

Chapters

0:00
Cold open and return to the show
A preview clip plays, and Kelly welcomes Shibly back for a second appearance.
0:47
Wealth and emptiness
Shibly argues that wealth beyond a certain point brings no joy unless it is used to serve others.
2:22
Charity and the Prophet's humility
Shibly explains Quranic teaching on 'doing gratitude' and recounts stories of Muhammad giving away wealth and rejecting power.
7:14
Why Islam gets targeted
Shibly argues that elites tied to Epstein and war see Islam as their main enemy because of its unifying moral message.
9:50
Epstein, Israel and the Iran war
Shibly claims the U.S. is fighting Israel's war with Iran and criticizes civilian deaths and Netanyahu.
15:36
Islamophobia and American politics
Shibly discusses the funding of anti-Muslim messaging, AIPAC loyalty among politicians, Hollywood stereotypes and anti-Israel candidates.
23:52
Veterans and unlawful orders
Shibly says soldiers are waking up, criticizes Pete Hegseth, and argues service members must refuse unlawful orders.
26:25
Israel as a threat and claims of power
Shibly calls Israel the greatest threat to Americans, citing Lebanon, the USS Liberty, JFK, and censorship.
31:36
Faith over fear
Shibly explains how belief in God and the afterlife lets him stay concerned without being afraid.
36:33
Can Iran win the war?
Shibly says the U.S. has already failed its regime-change goal and warns of escalation, profiteering and programmed narratives.
39:28
Money, technology and control
Shibly warns that digital money, self-driving cars and AI enable control, and cites his TikTok ban.
40:42
Resurrection and hope
Shibly discusses resurrection, accountability, consciousness and why faith gives him hope.
45:45
Debates and closing
Shibly describes meeting a pro-Israel Christian preacher he would like to debate, and closes with a call to question who benefits from one's beliefs.

Key points

What was said, by whom, with the exact words. Timestamps jump to the moment.

Hassan Shibly
Shibly argues that income beyond a modest monthly level adds little happiness, and that further pleasure comes from giving back.
“Only the first $20,000, $30,000, $40,000 a month really is going to have a positive impact in your life”
Listen from 1:03 · Charity in Islam
Hassan Shibly
Shibly says the Quran frames gratitude as an action, expressed through using wealth to help others.
“Because gratitude isn't about just what you say. It's about what you do”
Listen from 2:52 · Charity in Islam
Hassan Shibly
Shibly recounts that the Prophet Muhammad distributed the gifts he received rather than keeping wealth.
“Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, refused to keep wealth in his home”
Listen from 3:39 · Islam
Hassan Shibly
Shibly argues that powerful elites see Islam as their main enemy because it frees people from materialism and division.
“their number one enemy is Islam because it frees humanity from being slaves to wealth, from being slaves to desires”
Listen from 7:14 · Islam
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Hassan Shibly
Shibly asserts that Jeffrey Epstein was an agent for Mossad and Israel.
“Look, there's no doubt about it. Epstein was an agent for the Mossad and for Israel”
Listen from 9:54 · Jeffrey Epstein
Hassan Shibly
Shibly argues that Trump drew the U.S. into attacking Iran on Israel's behalf.
“Why do you think right now Trump dragged us to attack Iran? We're fighting Israel's war”
Listen from 10:04 · United States war with Iran
Hassan Shibly
Shibly argues that regime change does not work, citing the Afghanistan experience.
“Regime change doesn't work. You know, regime change is more likely to happen in the U.S. because of what we're doing”
Listen from 10:25 · United States war with Iran
Hassan Shibly
Shibly claims that more than 175 Iranian schoolchildren were killed on the first day of bombing.
“On the very first day of bombing, over 175 Iranian schoolchildren were killed”
Listen from 10:25 · United States war with Iran
Hassan Shibly
Shibly recounts a prominent Zionist in Los Angeles telling him that God promised a greater Israel spanning much of the Middle East.
“we believe God promised us greater Israel. And that includes parts of Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, Iran, Iraq”
Listen from 13:51 · Israel lobby in the United States
Hassan Shibly
Shibly claims that an Israeli study found demonizing Islam was the best way to win American support for Israel's agenda.
“the best way to get support for the American people to support them using their sons and their tax dollars to advance Israel's agenda is to demonize Islam”
Listen from 14:32 · Islamophobia
Hassan Shibly
Shibly predicts that the next generation will view Israel's actions and Islamophobia less favorably.
“So I think the next generation is not gonna be as favorable for what Israel is doing”
Listen from 15:36 · Islamophobia
Hassan Shibly
Shibly points to the Fear, Inc. reports as documenting pro-Israel funding of anti-Muslim messaging, including from the Adelsons.
“Read the report about where the money came from. It came from the Adelsons”
Listen from 18:47 · Fear, Inc. (report)
Hassan Shibly
Shibly argues that the laws of war prohibit no-quarter orders and 'double tap' strikes, citing U.S. strikes on boats in South America.
“you cannot give an order not to give quarter. You cannot bomb those that are already disabled, like the double taps on the ships”
Listen from 24:29 · United States war with Iran
Sean Kelly
Kelly argues that Trump would have been remembered as a legend had he stopped after his first term, and that the second term is damaging his legacy.
“If he just ended it after his first term, he would have gone down as a legend”
Listen from 25:50 · United States war with Iran
Hassan Shibly
Shibly contends that Israel, not Iran, is the greatest threat to Americans, citing the USS Liberty attack.
“So, look, I'm a firm believer that Israel is the greatest threat to the American people”
Listen from 27:08 · Israel lobby in the United States
Hassan Shibly
Shibly argues that the U.S. has already lost the Iran war because it failed to achieve immediate regime change.
“In a sense, the U.S. has already lost in the sense that it didn't achieve its mission. Its mission was to induce immediate regime change”
Listen from 37:13 · United States war with Iran
Hassan Shibly
Shibly claims that schooling was designed to produce compliant workers rather than critical thinkers.
“School was designed not to make people great critical thinkers. School was designed to create a great generation of factory workers”
Listen from 37:45
Hassan Shibly
Shibly warns that digital money and connected cars enable government control, and says he was banned from TikTok.
“They could shut down my car. They could shut down my money”
Listen from 39:59 · TikTok
Hassan Shibly
Shibly argues that morality cannot be grounded without belief in God and an afterlife.
“you can't argue for morality if there's no life after that”
Listen from 44:15 · Afterlife in Islam
Hassan Shibly
Shibly says interfaith debates should seek truth together rather than humiliate opponents.
“We're all going to die. We got to find the truth together. And you're not going to do that from a place of hate and animosities”
Listen from 47:00 · Islam

People

In the conversation

Sean KellyHost of the Digital Social Hour podcast
Hassan ShiblyAmerican Muslim civil rights attorney and activist

Discussed

MuhammadProphet and founder of Islam
Donald TrumpPresident of the United States whose conduct of the Iran war is the episode's main subject
Benjamin NetanyahuPrime Minister of Israel
Lindsey GrahamU.S. Senator named by Kelly as an advocate for the Iran war
Ted CruzU.S. senator who called the Druski sketch beneath contempt
Tucker CarlsonConservative broadcaster cited as part of right-wing media
Candace OwensConservative commentator and podcaster cited as a top-ranked show
Pete HegsethU.S. Secretary of Defense overseeing the Iran campaign
Miriam AdelsonIsrael-first megadonor said to own an Israeli newspaper that ran a hit piece on Vance
Dan BilzerianSocial media personality who announced a congressional run against Randy Fine
Randy FineU.S. Representative from Florida
John KiriakouFormer CIA counterterrorism officer and whistleblower
Larry EllisonReferenced via the Ellison family's pending control of CNN
Kash PatelDirector of the Federal Bureau of Investigation
JD VanceVice President of the United States

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From the publisher

| DSH #1961 Is America fighting its own war… or someone else’s? Hassan returns to the show for a heated conversation on faith, money, power, Israel, Islam, war, and why he believes Americans are being pushed into conflicts that do not serve them. This episode starts with a deeper conversation about wealth, charity, and why material success eventually stops feeling meaningful unless it is tied to service. Hassan breaks down how Islam views money, why Prophet Muhammad chose humility over power, and why giving back is central to a spiritual life. Then the conversation moves into the most controversial topics of the moment: Epstein, Israel, Iran, AIPAC, Trump, Zionism, war, media programming, and the way Americans have been taught to view Muslims. Hassan argues that Islam is being targeted because it challenges the systems built on war, interest, hedonism, and division. He also explains why he believes Americans are waking up, why social media changed the narrative, and why faith is the only thing that keeps people grounded when the world feels corrupt. This is a heavy one. Faith, politics, war, money, morality, and the question every person should ask: Who taught me to think this way… and who benefits? ⏱️ Chapters 0:00 Islam’s Biggest Enemies 2:22 Charity In Islam 8:06 Why Islam Gets Targeted 18:21 Islamophobia And American Politics 26:03 Veterans Waking Up 34:57 Faith Over Fear 38:41 Can Iran Win The War? 43:14 Why Islam Still Gives Him Hope 47:58 Who Hassan Wants To Debate 49:22 Final Message 🧠 What You’ll Learn 🕌 Why Hassan believes Islam is being targeted by powerful elites 💰 Why wealth becomes empty without charity and purpose ⚖️ How Islam views gratitude as action, not just words 🔥 Why he says America is being dragged into Israel’s war 👀 How Epstein, Israel, Iran, and censorship connect in his worldview 🧠 Why he believes Americans were programmed to fear Muslims 🙏 How faith keeps him grounded instead of fearful 💣 Why he believes war is driven by profit,…

Summary, chapters and key points were generated from the episode transcript on September 28, 2026. Quotes are checked word for word against the transcript.

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