#2514 - Cameron Hanes

Episode of The Joe Rogan Experience · June 12, 2026 · 2 h 60 min

Joe Rogan and bowhunter Cameron Hanes discuss public land threats, the UFC White House event, money in politics, and Hanes's BPC-157 marathon controversy.

Summary

Joe Rogan hosted bowhunter and endurance athlete Cameron Hanes for a wide-ranging conversation that opened with lightning strikes, alligator attacks, and Hanes's new gold tooth, and moved through Rogan's reflections on sustaining the number one podcast, avoiding negativity, and limiting social media use. Hanes brought bear meat from a spring Alberta hunt, and both argued that black bear is excellent table fare and that predator populations such as bears and mountain lions must be managed by biologists rather than by ballot initiatives.

Hanes devoted substantial time to public land, criticizing Senator Mike Lee's effort to amend the Roadless Rule under the banner of wildfire prevention and a no-bid border barrier project in Big Bend National Park approved by waiving environmental laws. He urged listeners to call the Senate switchboard. Rogan expressed disapproval of the second round of US strikes on Iran and reservations about holding the UFC White House event outdoors, while praising the fight card. The two also discussed Citizens United v. FEC, AIPAC donations, nonprofit hospitals, Oregon's IP28 animal cruelty initiative, glyphosate, DDT and polio, and weather modification.

The final segment addressed a controversy over Hanes's age-group win at the Eugene Marathon after he disclosed receiving a BPC-157 injection in November 2024 to heal a Jones fracture. Hanes argued that anti-doping rules for elite athletes should not apply to recreational runners, noted that race waivers never mentioned drug testing, and proposed separate categories for elites and regular runners. Rogan defended Hanes's honesty and characterized his critic, a vegan professional runner, as a hater.

Chapters

0:53
Lightning and alligators
Rogan and Hanes swap stories about lightning strikes and watch footage of alligator attacks in Florida.
16:02
Podcast scams and the gold tooth
Rogan warns about scammers impersonating his booking team, and Hanes explains his gold tooth.
24:10
Staying on top and avoiding negativity
Rogan discusses his work ethic, rejecting envy, the value of comedy, and the trap of negative content and social media.
36:36
Iran war and frustrations with the administration
Rogan expresses frustration over unreleased Epstein files and the second round of strikes on Iran.
43:26
Bear meat and predator management
Hanes shares bear products and the pair argue for managing bears and mountain lions against Disney-style views of animals.
50:39
Roadless Rule and public lands
Hanes criticizes Mike Lee's roadless rule amendment and Rogan endorses the 'not one acre' position.
59:38
UFC White House event
Rogan explains his concerns about fighting outdoors while praising the card and Ilia Topuria's career.
1:11:09
Trump, RFK Jr., glyphosate and DDT
The pair discuss Trump's personality, political compromises, glyphosate, DDT and polio, and cloud seeding.
1:19:30
Big Bend border wall
Hanes and Rogan examine the no-bid border barrier project in Big Bend National Park and crossing data.
1:34:38
Money in politics and nonprofits
Discussion of Hanes declining a White House invitation, AIPAC, Citizens United, Oregon's IP28, and nonprofit hospitals.
2:03:27
The BPC-157 marathon controversy
Hanes explains his foot injury, BPC-157 use, and why he believes elite doping rules shouldn't apply to recreational runners.
2:46:19
Wellness clinics and wrap-up
Hanes links wellness clinics to post-COVID distrust of medicine, and the pair close with bear hunting and electrolytes.

Key points

What was said, by whom, with the exact words. Timestamps jump to the moment.

Joe Rogan
Rogan says envying successful people wastes energy that would be better spent learning from them, acknowledging he was a hater when young.
“And you get more energy out of looking at what they do well and analyzing it and being inspired by it”
Listen from 27:03
Joe Rogan
Rogan says the country would be in a different place had the US not bombed Iran a second time, and that most Americans oppose it.
“And the second time when we bombed them, I was like, oh, fucking great. Now, and the most people don't want it”
Listen from 38:17 · United States war with Iran
Cameron Hanes
Hanes argues that most wildfires start near roads, undermining the claim that more roads are needed to fight fires in roadless areas.
“85% to 90% of fires are started within a half mile of a road. So it's not the wilderness areas that are in danger”
Listen from 53:39 · Roadless Rule
Cameron Hanes
Hanes argues that biologists, not politicians, should make hunting decisions and land-use decisions should reflect expert input.
“I want biologists making the decision on hunting. 100%. I don't want politicians making the decision on land”
Listen from 57:18 · Wildlife management
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Joe Rogan
Rogan endorses the Teddy Roosevelt 'not one acre' position, calling the US public land system unique in the world.
“the Teddy Roosevelt position, not one acre. We have an amazing system here. The public land system in the United States is completely unique to the rest of the world”
Listen from 58:03 · Public lands in the United States
Joe Rogan
Rogan says championship fights should be held in controlled indoor environments, while acknowledging the event will be spectacular.
“I think they should be fighting indoors always. I think world championship fights at the highest level should be fought in a controlled environment. That said, it's going to be sick”
Listen from 1:00:36 · UFC White House event
Cameron Hanes
Hanes criticizes the $1.7 billion Big Bend barrier contract as awarded without a bid and placed where few crossings occur.
“$1.7 billion has been awarded and it wasn't even bid to build this wall in Big Bend National Park here”
Listen from 1:20:12 · Big Bend National Park
Cameron Hanes
Hanes says he declined a White House Veterans Day invitation because he disagrees with the war in Iran and didn't want to be used for a photo op.
“And I said, no, I'm not going because I don't fucking agree with this war in Iran. I don't agree with all this shit”
Listen from 1:35:30
Joe Rogan
Rogan argues that no foreign government or anyone connected to one should influence American politics.
“I don't think any foreign government, anyone connected to a foreign government should have any influence whatsoever on American politics”
Listen from 1:43:00 · American Israel Public Affairs Committee
Cameron Hanes
Hanes contends Oregon's IP28 is marketed as stopping animal cruelty but would effectively end hunting, fishing, and ranching in the state.
“So they didn't tell you that it's making, you know, you can't fish, you can't hunt, you can't raise animals physically”
Listen from 1:49:09 · Oregon Initiative Petition 28
Cameron Hanes
Hanes says he received BPC-157 once in November 2024 alongside stem cells to heal a Jones fracture and avoid multiple surgeries.
“when they put in the BPC there that, that one time in November”
Listen from 2:07:21 · BPC-157
Cameron Hanes
Hanes reports running a 2:39:11 marathon at age 58, his personal record, which he attributes to retirement, better sleep, recovery, and specific training.
“I got 239.11, one of the fastest ever for a 58 year old”
Listen from 2:11:05 · Eugene Marathon
Cameron Hanes
Hanes proposes separating recreational runners from elites, with only elites subject to anti-doping testing and requirements.
“Two categories. You got your regular runners, which I'm in, and you got your elites, which are susceptible to this drug testing and these requirements”
Listen from 2:20:26 · Performance-enhancing drugs in sport
Cameron Hanes
Hanes says the race waivers he signed never mentioned USATF rules or drug testing, despite USATF requiring such language.
“It doesn't mention anything about USATF or drug testing or any of these requirements. There's no mention of it”
Listen from 2:24:02 · Eugene Marathon
Joe Rogan
Rogan argues BPC-157 is not performance-enhancing and could not have affected a race two years after the injection.
“BPC-157 is not a performance-enhancing substance. It helps heal soft tissue injuries. It's very good for recovery from injuries”
Listen from 2:24:11 · BPC-157
Cameron Hanes
Hanes says he stopped taking testosterone because he runs better with low testosterone and still has unused doses.
“I don't even take testosterone anymore because I run better low”
Listen from 2:41:02 · Peptide therapy
Cameron Hanes
Hanes attributes the rise of wellness clinics to post-COVID distrust of the health sector and difficulty accessing doctors.
“I think that there was a big shift when COVID happened as far as distrust in the health sector”
Listen from 2:46:35 · Peptide therapy
Joe Rogan
Rogan argues Alberta's bears must be controlled because they devastate moose, deer, and elk populations by killing calves.
“They are devastating the moose and deer and elk population up there because they kill all the calves”
Listen from 2:48:56 · Wildlife management

People

In the conversation

Joe RoganAmerican comedian and host of The Joe Rogan Experience
Cameron HanesBowhunter, endurance athlete, author, and podcast host

Discussed

Mike LeeU.S. senator floated as a Supreme Court nominee
Donald TrumpPresident of the United States whose conduct of the Iran war is the episode's main subject
Ilia TopuriaUFC lightweight champion
Justin GaethjeAmerican mixed martial artist and Nurmagomedov's final opponent
Dana WhitePresident and CEO of the UFC
Truett HanesCameron Hanes's son, pursuing an Olympic trials marathon qualifier
Bill GatesCo-founder of Microsoft
Robert F. Kennedy Jr.Health secretary whose appointment Jesse Kelly cited as coalition-building
Markwayne MullinSecretary of Homeland Security
Nick DiazMMA fighter suspended for marijuana after beating Takanori Gomi
Tulsi GabbardDirector of National Intelligence
Mike BenzCommentator on NGOs and government funding

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From the publisher

Cameron Hanes is a bowhunter, outdoorsman, endurance athlete, author, and host of the podcasts “Keep Hammering Collective,” “Sh*t Talkers Weekly,” and “Lift. Run. Shoot.” His most recent book is “Undeniable: How to Reach the Top and Stay There.”www.youtube.com/@cameronhaneshttps://us.macmillan.com/books/9781250365941/undeniable/www.cameronhanes.com Perplexity: Download the app or ask Perplexity anything at https://pplx.ai/rogan. Don’t miss out on all the action this week at DraftKings! Download the DraftKings app today! Sign-up using https://dkng.co/rogan or through my promo code ROGAN. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Summary, chapters and key points were generated from the episode transcript on September 29, 2026. Quotes are checked word for word against the transcript.

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