Lindsey Graham's Legacy, McConnell's "Proof of Life," and the Robinson Video You DIDN'T See, with Knowles, Posobiec, and Fitz | Ep. 1358

Episode of The Megyn Kelly Show · July 13, 2026 · 1 h 42 min

Megyn Kelly discusses Lindsey Graham's death, McConnell's health and Elliot Page with Michael Knowles, then the Tyler Robinson hearing with Jack Posobiec and James Fitzgerald.

Summary

Megyn Kelly opened by condemning online celebration of Senator Lindsey Graham's sudden death at 71, despite her own criticism of his Iran war rhetoric. Michael Knowles argued the left mocks the dead more than the right, recalled Graham as the funniest guest he had interviewed, and praised him as an effective, party-loyal politician whose defense of Brett Kavanaugh was pivotal. Knowles endorsed Trump's suggestion that Graham's sister fill the seat, saying he wanted a reliable Republican vote. The two questioned the transparency around Mitch McConnell's hospitalization and 'proof of life' photo, with Knowles suggesting information would be withheld until an August 3 Kentucky special-election deadline.

Kelly and Knowles mocked an Atlantic article on Democrats' efforts to recruit 'manly men,' with Knowles arguing gender and transgender ideology cost Democrats male voters. They criticized Elliot Page's comments promoting a nature documentary and The Odyssey, and Knowles cited mental-health statistics after transition.

Jack Posobiec described courtroom-only surveillance footage from Tyler Robinson's preliminary hearing that he said showed the shooter firing the shot that killed Charlie Kirk, rebutted online critics who disputed his account, called for release of the raw video, and warned about left-wing political violence. Kelly cited Google Maps and car-wash evidence placing Robinson near the scene.

Former FBI profiler James Fitzgerald attributed Robinson's radicalization to a toxic mix of substance abuse, gaming, isolation and his relationship with Lance Twiggs, analyzed the casual tone of Robinson's texts, placed him on the psychopathy scale, and drew parallels to the Unabomber and Eric Hoffer's The True Believer.

Chapters

0:01
Introduction and reaction to Graham's death
Kelly previews the show and criticizes people celebrating Lindsey Graham's sudden death.
7:01
Graham's legacy
Knowles reflects on Graham's humor, effectiveness and party loyalty.
12:00
The Kavanaugh defense
Kelly and Knowles revisit Graham's 2018 Kavanaugh hearing outburst and his team-first politics.
16:37
Trump whisperer and Senate successor
Discussion of Graham's influence on Trump and Trump's suggestion that Graham's sister fill his seat.
24:41
McConnell's 'proof of life' photo
The hosts question conflicting accounts of McConnell's hospitalization and the political stakes of the August 3 deadline.
33:50
Democrats and the 'manly man'
Kelly and Knowles mock an Atlantic article on Democrats recruiting masculine candidates.
41:11
Elliot Page's comments
Clips of Elliot Page promoting a nature documentary and The Odyssey prompt criticism of transgender ideology.
52:16
Posobiec on the unreleased shooting video
Posobiec describes surveillance footage shown in court of the shooter firing at Charlie Kirk and the room's reaction.
1:03:53
Backlash and the case against Robinson
Posobiec rebuts critics of his account while Kelly outlines location evidence and political violence concerns.
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1:22:26
Fitzgerald on Robinson's path
Fitzgerald discusses Robinson's academic promise and the influences behind his alleged radicalization.
1:27:08
Language of the texts and the apartment
Fitzgerald analyzes the casual tone of Robinson's messages and the conditions in the Twiggs apartment.
1:38:23
Hoffer, the Unabomber and parenting
Fitzgerald links Robinson's mindset to Eric Hoffer's fanatic and offers advice to parents.

Key points

What was said, by whom, with the exact words. Timestamps jump to the moment.

Megyn Kelly
Kelly argued it was indecent to celebrate Graham's death while his family was still grieving.
“I just don't think the time to celebrate their death is as his family is still shedding tears and grieving him”
Listen from 2:26 · Death of Lindsey Graham
Michael Knowles
Knowles claimed both sides mock opponents' deaths but the left does so far more.
“Yes, both sides do it. But the left does it a lot more than the right”
Listen from 7:12 · Death of Lindsey Graham
Michael Knowles
Knowles recounted that Graham was the funniest guest he ever interviewed.
“Lindsey Graham, I can say, is the single funniest guest I have ever interviewed on any show”
Listen from 7:12 · Death of Lindsey Graham
Michael Knowles
Knowles credited Graham with helping secure Kavanaugh's confirmation.
“We might not have a Justice Kavanaugh if not for Lindsey Graham”
Listen from 9:39 · Brett Kavanaugh Supreme Court nomination
Michael Knowles
Knowles said he wanted Graham's replacement to be a reliable Republican vote rather than the most experienced candidate.
“I want a reliable Republican vote who is going to advance the president's agenda for the remainder of this term”
Listen from 21:07 · Death of Lindsey Graham
Megyn Kelly
Kelly argued inconsistent official accounts of Graham's and McConnell's health fuel conspiracy theories.
“I don't know what's going on, but this is exactly how conspiracy theories get started”
Listen from 27:51 · Mitch McConnell health concerns
Michael Knowles Can’t be judged
Knowles predicted the truth about McConnell's condition would not emerge until around August 3.
“we're probably not going to find out until my estimate would be August 3rd”
Listen from 33:39 · Mitch McConnell health concerns
Michael Knowles
Knowles argued Democrats lost men primarily over sexual and gender ideology.
“It was the feminism leading into the gay rights stuff, reaching its apotheosis with the transgender ideology, specifically transing the kids”
Listen from 38:23 · Masculinity
Michael Knowles
Knowles asserted mental-health outcomes do not improve after gender transition.
“We all know that the rates of depression, anxiety, and suicide do not decrease after the transition”
Listen from 46:46 · Transgender identity
Jack Posobiec
Posobiec said the courtroom video showed the moment the shot was fired followed by the run across the roof.
“you see the moment the shot is fired you see him get up that and that's when the run across the roof occurs”
Listen from 56:06 · Surveillance video evidence
Jack Posobiec
Posobiec reported that Robinson looked away while the footage was played.
“And he looked away. Tyler Robinson looked away when this was played”
Listen from 57:17 · Tyler Robinson preliminary hearing
Jack Posobiec
Posobiec described the visible shot as a flinch because the prone position minimizes recoil.
“I've described it as like a flinch. It's not as much recoil as you would see”
Listen from 1:00:06 · Surveillance video evidence
Jack Posobiec
Posobiec argued the video is historically significant and should be released.
“this is a video that will be played throughout the decades throughout the centuries because of how impactful and how historic it is”
Listen from 1:05:29 · Surveillance video evidence
Megyn Kelly
Kelly argued the evidence shows Robinson made little effort to avoid capture.
“It shows that Tyler Robinson did not care at all about getting caught. He did next to nothing to cover his tracks”
Listen from 1:07:12 · Tyler Robinson preliminary hearing
Jack Posobiec
Posobiec speculated that Robinson sought glory and wanted to impress Twiggs.
“i think there was an element of wanting the glory um i think there was an element of trying to impress twiggs the boyfriend here”
Listen from 1:07:47 · Assassination of Charlie Kirk
Jack Posobiec
Posobiec warned that left-wing assassination culture must be confronted.
“if we don't actually confront this assassination culture, the violent political left that is getting absolutely feral, then they will come for every single one of us”
Listen from 1:14:59 · Political violence in the United States
James Fitzgerald
Fitzgerald attributed Robinson's path to substance abuse, gaming and online chat culture.
“This toxic combination of substance abuse, of gaming, and no doubt pot smoking, tie that in with substance abuse, alcoholism”
Listen from 1:25:03 · Assassination of Charlie Kirk
James Fitzgerald
Fitzgerald said Robinson's texts show he did not grasp the long-term consequences of his actions.
“He didn't comprehend, he clearly didn't comprehend the long-term scope of his actions and what he was about to undertake”
Listen from 1:28:49 · Assassination of Charlie Kirk
James Fitzgerald
Fitzgerald judged from the texts that the author would rank on the psychopathy scale.
“I would probably put this person somewhere on the psychopathy scale, meaning he's a psychopath”
Listen from 1:33:45 · Assassination of Charlie Kirk
James Fitzgerald
Fitzgerald quoted Hoffer to argue fanatics mask personal failures through self-sacrifice, which he said fits Robinson.
“By sacrificing themselves for an impossible cause, they mask their own perceived failures and shortcomings”
Listen from 1:41:01 · The True Believer
James Fitzgerald
Fitzgerald advised parents not to fund such living arrangements and to secure firearms.
“i wouldn't pay their rent i mean they're over 18”
Listen from 1:42:22 · Assassination of Charlie Kirk

People

In the conversation

Megyn KellyConservative broadcaster and podcaster
Michael KnowlesAmerican conservative commentator and host of The Michael Knowles Show at The Daily Wire
Jack PosobiecConservative commentator, Human Events senior editor and Turning Point USA contributor
James FitzgeraldFormer FBI supervisory special agent, forensic linguist and co-host of the Cold Red podcast

Discussed

Lindsey GrahamU.S. Senator named by Kelly as an advocate for the Iran war
Donald TrumpPresident of the United States whose conduct of the Iran war is the episode's main subject
Brett KavanaughUS Supreme Court justice targeted in an assassination attempt
Mitch McConnellRepublican U.S. senator from Kentucky
Elaine ChaoFormer U.S. transportation secretary, McConnell's wife
Charlie KirkAmerican conservative activist and podcast host assassinated in September 2025
Tyler RobinsonSuspect in the Charlie Kirk assassination
Lance TwiggsRobinson's partner and alleged recipient of his text messages
Elliot PageActor featured on New York Magazine's men's style issue
Nancy MaceRepublican U.S. Representative from South Carolina running for governor
Andy BeshearGovernor of Kentucky
Brian PoindexterDemocratic congressional candidate in Ohio
James TalaricoDemocratic Senate nominee in Texas
Gavin NewsomGovernor of California, cited for his 2018 primary strategy
Eric HofferAmerican philosopher, author of The True Believer
Brandy SicilianiPodcaster who disputed Posobiec's account
Benny JohnsonCommentator who interviewed Matt Gaetz
Andrea BurkhartLawyer who analyzed the search warrant application
Jussie SmollettActor convicted over a staged hate crime, who appeared at a Harlem Pride event

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From the publisher

Megyn Kelly is joined by Michael Knowles, host of "The Michael Knowles Show," to discuss Lindsey Graham's legacy as an expert politician and "Trump whisperer," why Graham was respected by allies and opponents alike despite political disagreements, the importance of diplomacy and party loyalty in politics, Trump's surprising suggestion that Lindsey Graham's sister could replace him in the Senate temporarily, why she could be the perfect pick for the short term, Sen. Mitch McConnell's "proof of life" photo posted amid his mysterious hospital stay, the lack of transparency surrounding his health, the Democrats' embarrassing attempt to win back "manly men," why critics say the effort is undermined by the party's embrace of progressive gender ideology, "Elliot" Page's latest bizarre comments while on press tour for "The Odyssey," and more. Then Jack Posobiec, TPUSA contributor and Human Events Live host, joins to discuss the surveillance video played inside the courtroom during the Tyler Robinson hearing that was not made available to the media and public, what the footage shows of the moment Kirk was shot, why the video became one of the hearing's most powerful pieces of evidence, Then James Fitzgerald, co-host of the Cold Red Podcast, joins to discuss what Tyler Robinson's bizarre text messages reveal about his mindset after the Charlie Kirk assassination, the unusual language used in his communications, whether Lance Twiggs played a role in Tyler Robinson's alleged path toward the Charlie Kirk assassination, how their relationship may have contributed to Robinson's downward spiral, and more. Knowles- https://www.dailywire.com/ Posobiec- https://x.com/JackPosobiec Fitzgerald- https://www.youtube.com/@ColdRedPodcast Herald Group: Learn more at https://GuardYourCard.com Supersure Insurance: Upgrade your business insurance to a year-round SuperAgency at https://Supersure.com/Megyn Byrna: Go to https://Byrna.com or your local Sportsman's Warehouse today. The Wellness Comp…

Summary, chapters and key points were generated from the episode transcript on September 30, 2026. Quotes are checked word for word against the transcript.

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