Taylor Swift's "Big Fat Disney Wedding," Prince Harry's UK Plot, and Nancy Guthrie Ransom Note Debate, with Maureen Callahan | Ep. 1352
Episode of The Megyn Kelly Show · July 2, 2026 · 1 h 43 min
Megyn Kelly and Maureen Callahan discuss Taylor Swift's Madison Square Garden wedding, Blake Lively's fee demand, the Obamas, the Nancy Guthrie case, and Prince Harry's UK visit.
Summary
Megyn Kelly hosted Maureen Callahan, host of The Nerve, for a pre–Fourth of July celebrity and culture conversation. They opened with the reported wedding of Taylor Swift and Travis Kelce at Madison Square Garden, which Callahan called a child's idea of a wedding and evidence of Swift's malignant narcissism; Kelly predicted the marriage would not last because Kelce would struggle as permanent second fiddle, while Callahan argued the Kelce family was thriving on Swift's fame. They also discussed Belle Burden's memoir Strangers and reports of her trust wealth.
The pair criticized Blake Lively's demand for about $8 million in attorneys' fees from Justin Baldoni after his defamation counterclaim was dismissed, and Taylor Swift's role in the dispute. Discussion of Harvey Weinstein led Kelly to recount her experience with Roger Ailes, his isolation at Fox News, and her view that she had misjudged her friendship with Ben Shapiro. They then criticized aging performers such as Barry Manilow, Smokey Robinson and Madonna, and reacted to a street-quiz clip in which young people could not explain the Fourth of July.
Kelly and Callahan mocked Michelle Obama's positioning at the Obama Presidential Center and a skirt bearing her late mother's image, and Kelly alleged Jill Biden's memoir reached the bestseller list via bulk sales. On the disappearance of Nancy Guthrie, Kelly argued conflicting FBI messaging about the ransom notes showed the case had been mismanaged, and both said they would not be surprised if Savannah Guthrie left the Today show. Kelly shared memories of John Denver tied to the U.S. World Cup team's song choice. They closed on Prince Harry's claims of danger ahead of a UK trip, with a clip of Dan Wootton explaining the security dispute, and on Sophie Cunningham defending Caitlin Clark in the WNBA.
Chapters
- 0:00
Holiday opening
Kelly previews the 250th Fourth of July weekend and introduces Maureen Callahan.
- 2:26
Taylor Swift's Madison Square Garden wedding
Kelly and Callahan mock the reported castle build at MSG and debate whether the Swift–Kelce marriage will last.
- 12:21
Old money codes and Belle Burden
The hosts discuss social pedigree, Carolyn Bessette, and revelations about Belle Burden's trust wealth.
- 27:51
Blake Lively's fee demand against Justin Baldoni
They criticize Lively's $8 million attorneys' fee request and Taylor Swift's role in the feud.
- 36:25
Weinstein, Roger Ailes and fame's loneliness
Kelly recounts her experiences with Roger Ailes and reflects on friendships, including with Ben Shapiro.
- 48:04
Aging performers
The hosts criticize performances by Barry Manilow, Smokey Robinson and Madonna.
- 58:52
Fourth of July street quiz
A clip of young people failing basic history questions prompts discussion of patriotism and the 250th.
- 1:02:33
The Obamas and Jill Biden
They mock Michelle Obama's portrait and skirt at the presidential library and Jill Biden's book sales.
- 1:13:09
Nancy Guthrie ransom note dispute
Kelly argues conflicting FBI messaging shows mismanagement, and the pair discuss Savannah Guthrie possibly leaving Today.
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1:23:57World Cup songs and John Denver
Kelly reflects on the U.S. team's use of Country Roads and her family memories of John Denver.
- 1:30:46
Prince Harry's UK trip and security
A Dan Wootton clip explains Harry's lost security and the hosts dismiss his claims of terror plots.
- 1:38:36
Sophie Cunningham and Caitlin Clark
They praise Cunningham's viral pointing moment and discuss the treatment of Caitlin Clark.
Key points
What was said, by whom, with the exact words. Timestamps jump to the moment.
- Megyn Kelly
Kelly says she does not believe the Swift–Kelce marriage will last.
“Unfortunately, I don't think it will last. I just think there are too many complicating factors”
- Megyn Kelly
Kelly argues it will be hard for Kelce, after retiring, to accept being second to Swift's fame.
“That's very tough to ask a man of his accomplishments to do to like settle into permanent second fiddle”
- Maureen Callahan
Callahan argues the Kelce family's rise in media and culture is due to Taylor Swift.
“Like these people are infesting the culture and it's because of Taylor”
- Maureen Callahan
Callahan argues that staging the wedding at Madison Square Garden shows Taylor Swift is a malignant narcissist.
“I think Taylor Swift is a malignant narcissist. Only a malignant narcissist mounts her wedding at MSG”
- Maureen Callahan
Callahan speculates that Swift and Kelce may already be secretly legally married.
“I think they might already be legally married, secretly legally married”
- Megyn Kelly
Kelly calls Blake Lively's $8 million attorneys' fee claim for defeating Baldoni's counterclaim outrageous.
“she's claiming just to get his counterclaim dismissed cost her $8 million in legal fees. That is so outrageous”
- Megyn Kelly
Kelly reports that Baldoni's lawyer told her show insurance may not cover the fee award.
“Brian Friedman came on our show and said he's not sure insurance is going to cover this for Justin”
- Maureen Callahan
Callahan argues Lively's conduct in the dispute explains why she has not been cast in a new role.
“It's no accident that Blake Lively has not booked another acting role”
- Megyn Kelly
Kelly recounts that when young she interpreted Roger Ailes's advances as an attempted affair rather than harassment.
“I thought he was trying to have an affair with me. I didn't look at him as a harasser”
- Megyn Kelly
Kelly says she learned this year that she did not have the friendship with Ben Shapiro she believed she had.
“I genuinely thought I had a true friendship with Ben Shapiro, and I learned this year I didn't and don't”
- Megyn Kelly
Kelly objects to aging performers like Smokey Robinson and Barry Manilow lip-syncing rather than singing live.
“No, no, he's not singing. He's not giving the audience what they paid for”
- Maureen Callahan
Callahan argues the 250th anniversary is underplayed by mainstream media because Donald Trump is president.
“I feel like it's not as celebrated in the mainstream media because the current occupant of the White House is the current occupant of the White House”
- Megyn Kelly
Kelly rejects Michelle Obama's portrayal of Barack Obama as humble, saying he has long had grandiose tendencies.
“He has suffered from delusions of grandeur since he was a teenager”
- Megyn Kelly
Kelly asserts that the New York Times dagger on Jill Biden's book indicates bulk purchases drove its bestseller debut.
“The bulk sales mean they bought their way onto the list”
- Megyn Kelly
Kelly argues conflicting FBI statements on the ransom notes show the Guthrie case has been mismanaged.
“it's just further evidence that this case has been mismanaged, both from a public relations standpoint and apparently from an investigative standpoint from the start”
- Maureen Callahan
Callahan says her reporting with former FBI agents showed the bureau is far more fallible than its popular image.
“I know from former FBI agents who I spoke to extensively for one of my books that it's simply not so”
- Megyn Kelly
Kelly says she would not be surprised if Savannah Guthrie took another leave from or left the Today show.
“I wouldn't be surprised at all if she did take another step away or even just leave”
- Maureen Callahan
Callahan recommends Savannah Guthrie step away and later use her fame for good, like John Walsh.
“She should go like the John Walsh route. She should disappear for a while, metabolize this, come back, use her fame for good”
- Maureen Callahan
Callahan says people tend to stay attached to the music of their youth for neurological reasons.
“that's why generations sort of get stuck in their their the music of their youth”
- Megyn Kelly
Kelly argues Harry does not need armed protection in Britain because royals are not targeted by gunfire there.
“When was the last time you heard about somebody taking random shots at the royal family while driving around Great Britain?”
- Maureen Callahan
Callahan suggests Harry and Meghan's UK trip is aimed at producing more Netflix content.
“they are potentially coming with cameras for another Netflix”
- Maureen Callahan
Callahan argues Caitlin Clark is mistreated in the WNBA because she is white and straight.
“This is the conversation that, again, the mainstream media really won't have. She's white and she's straight. That's the problem”
People
In the conversation
- Megyn KellyConservative broadcaster and podcaster
- Maureen CallahanAmerican journalist, Daily Mail columnist and host of The Nerve podcast
Discussed
- Taylor SwiftAmerican singer-songwriter cited as an example of public love-and-hate cycles
- Travis KelceNFL tight end and New Heights co-host engaged to Taylor Swift
- Blake LivelyAmerican actress who sued Justin Baldoni and Wayfarer Studios
- Justin BaldoniAmerican actor and director of It Ends With Us
- Ryan ReynoldsActor and husband of Blake Lively
- Belle BurdenAuthor of the memoir Strangers
- Roger AilesLate Fox News founder credited with understanding televised visual medium
- Harvey WeinsteinFormer film producer convicted of sex crimes
- Pamela AndersonCanadian-American actress and model among Prince's clients
- Ben ShapiroConservative commentator who advocated the Iran war
- Barry ManilowAmerican singer
- Smokey RobinsonAmerican Motown singer
- MadonnaAmerican pop singer
- Michelle ObamaFormer First Lady of the United States
- Barack ObamaFormer president referenced in comparing 2010 midterm conditions
- Jill BidenFormer First Lady of the United States
- Nancy Guthrie84-year-old mother of Savannah Guthrie who disappeared on January 31
- Savannah GuthrieNBC Today co-anchor and daughter of Nancy Guthrie
- Maureen O'Connell25-year FBI veteran and co-host of the 'Best Case Worst Case' podcast
- Prince HarryDuke of Sussex
- Meghan MarkleDuchess of Sussex, cited as a PR cautionary example
- Caitlin ClarkWNBA player
- Sophie CunninghamWNBA player praised by the hosts
- John DenverAmerican singer-songwriter
- Tom BradyRetired NFL quarterback cited as a longevity outlier
- Bryan FreedmanAttorney for Baldoni and Megyn Kelly
- Dave PortnoyBarstool Sports founder known for pizza reviews
Topics
- Taylor Swift and Travis Kelce wedding
- Fame
- Lively v. Wayfarer Studios
- Roger Ailes sexual harassment scandal
- Aging
- United States Semiquincentennial
- Barack Obama Presidential Center
- Disappearance of Nancy Guthrie
- Prince Harry's UK security dispute
- Madison Square Garden
- California Civil Code section 47.1
- Strangers (Belle Burden memoir)
- 2026 FIFA World Cup
- Caitlin Clark
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From the publisher
Megyn Kelly is joined by Maureen Callahan, host of "The Nerve," to discuss Taylor Swift's upcoming wedding to Travis Kelce at Madison Square Garden, why building a castle inside the arena is a "child's version" of a wedding, how "emotionally stunted" Swift appears to be, why Travis Kelce and his family actually love fame, the malignant narcissism of Taylor Swift, Blake Lively asking for $8 million in attorneys fees from Justin Baldoni, her attempt to spin the story and make herself the victim again, Lively's questionable history, very old people like Barry Manilow and Smokey Robinson still trying to perform, Madonna's sad and disturbing vibe, Michelle Obama's attempt to make herself the "co-leader" with Barack, her bizarre dress featuring her deceased mother, the massive controversy over whether authorities believe the Nancy Guthrie ransom notes are legitimate, news that Savannah may step away from the Today show, Prince Harry claiming his life is in danger as he prepares a UK trip, the true story of royal security, what Harry and Meghan really hope to accomplish with this visit, and more. Subscribe to Maureen's show The Nerve: Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-nerve-with-maureen-callahan/id1808684702 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/4kR07GQGQAJaMNtLc9Cg2o YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@thenerveshow?sub_confirmation=1 Substack: https://thenerveshow.com/ Supersure Insurance: Upgrade your business insurance to a year-round SuperAgency at https://Supersure.com/Megyn Herald Group: Learn more at https://GuardYourCard.com The Wellness Company: Don’t let a sudden illness derail your summer—secure your peace of mind and save $45 on a Medical Emergency Kit today by visiting https://UrgentCareKit.com/MK and using promo code MK. Birch Gold: Text MK to 989898 and get a free America 250 silver round with qualifying purchase
Summary, chapters and key points were generated from the episode transcript on September 29, 2026. Quotes are checked word for word against the transcript.