Consider Us Considered: Monday, November 9th, 2026

Episode of The Toast · November 9, 2026 · 1 h 6 min

Claudia and Jackie Oshry discuss Taylor Swift and Karlie Kloss reuniting, Sofia Franklyn's memoir about Alex Cooper, the LACMA gala, Betty Buzz's shutdown, and The Bachelor's return.

Summary

Sisters Claudia and Jackie Oshry opened with a recap of a birthday weekend that included both of their sons taking first steps, then announced a tongue-in-cheek "For Your Consideration" billboard campaign in Los Angeles and New York aimed at a Golden Globe nomination. Claudia said she would win either way and proposed calling the show "Golden Globe considered." They also discussed refreshing the show's cover art.

The first story covered Taylor Swift attending a Kansas City Chiefs game with Karlie Kloss. Claudia recounted the theory that the friendship ended because Kloss shared information with Scooter Braun. She examined the "Gaylor" theory, citing a lyric from Bad Blood, and argued that Swift's You Need to Calm Down era was performative rather than queerbaiting. Jackie said the lyric evidence was not proof and suggested forgiveness was possible. Claudia also offered an interpretation of Swift's song Babylon.

The hosts then discussed a Page Six report that Alex Cooper was alarmed by Sofia Franklyn's forthcoming memoir Daddy Issues, which implies a fling between Cooper and Dave Portnoy. Without revealing spoilers, both said the book was very damaging to Cooper and fair to Portnoy. Claudia described it as a heartbreaking account of a friendship ending and said it showed Call Her Daddy had been scripted by a man. They also reviewed Franklyn's podcast press tour.

Later segments covered looks from the LACMA Art + Film Gala, praising Kylie Jenner and criticizing Kim Kardashian's outfit. They discussed Blake Lively winding down Betty Buzz and Betty Booze, which Claudia attributed to Lively's diminished popularity after the It Ends With Us controversy. The episode closed with ABC's announcement that The Bachelor would return in 2027. Claudia said she had thought the franchise was over, while Jackie said the world needs The Bachelor. They finished with speculation about the upcoming season of The Traitors.

Chapters

0:23
Birthday weekend and first steps
The hosts recapped a weekend of birthday celebrations, steak dinners, and both of their sons taking first steps.
6:33
Hair and Matilda Djerf
Claudia described wearing her hair natural, and the sisters discussed a viral claw-clip video from Matilda Djerf.
8:14
Golden Globes consideration campaign
The hosts announced billboards and taxi-top ads seeking a Golden Globe nomination and joked about being 'Golden Globe considered.'
11:24
Updating the show's artwork
The sisters debated whether and when to reshoot the podcast's cover art.
20:08
Taylor Swift and Karlie Kloss reunite
The hosts discussed Kloss joining Swift at a Chiefs game, the reasons for their past falling-out, the Gaylor theory, and the song Babylon.
32:23
Sofia Franklyn's memoir and Alex Cooper
The hosts discussed the Page Six report about Daddy Issues and gave spoiler-light impressions of how it portrays Alex Cooper, Dave Portnoy, and Franklyn's former boyfriend.
44:27
LACMA Art + Film Gala looks
The sisters reviewed outfits at the gala, praising Kylie Jenner and Alix Earle and criticizing Kim Kardashian.
47:03
Sofia Franklyn's press tour
The hosts listed the podcasts Franklyn was appearing on and considered whether Alex Cooper would respond.
55:40
Blake Lively's Betty Buzz winds down
The hosts discussed the closure of Lively's beverage brands and the fallout of the It Ends With Us saga.
59:08
The Bachelor returns in 2027
The hosts reacted to ABC's announcement of season 30, what kind of lead the show needs, and Chris Harrison's new show.
1:03:23
The Traitors predictions and sign-off
The sisters speculated about who might have won the upcoming season of The Traitors before closing the show.

Key points

What was said, by whom, with the exact words. Timestamps jump to the moment.

Claudia Oshry
Claudia Oshry said she wins either way on a Golden Globe nomination: a nomination would be a triumph, and no nomination would spare her from traveling while heavily pregnant.
“I feel in such a unique and blessed position because I win either way”
Listen from 10:29 · Golden Globe Awards
Jackie Oshry
Jackie Oshry agreed that the alternative Bad Blood lyric sounds better but argued that this is not evidence for the Gaylor theory.
“I agree that that sounds better, but that's like not. I don't know. That's not proof”
Listen from 23:09 · Gaylor theory
Claudia Oshry
Claudia Oshry argued that Swift's You Need to Calm Down era was performative people-pleasing rather than queerbaiting or a coded admission.
“And like, yeah, you know what it was? Performative. Not fake. I don't think it was queer bait”
Listen from 24:43 · Gaylor theory
Claudia Oshry
Claudia Oshry argued that Swift has since cemented herself as an artist on the level of the Beatles and no longer needs gimmicks.
“she doesn't need to do shtick like that anymore. She's like cemented herself as like a Beatles level artist”
Listen from 25:15 · Taylor Swift and Karlie Kloss friendship
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Claudia Oshry
Claudia Oshry believes Swift and Kloss fell out because Kloss shared Swift's secrets with Scooter Braun, which she considers hard to come back from.
“What's interesting is that if the reasons they broke up are what I believe them to be, which is just like, you know, sharing Taylor's secrets with Scooter”
Listen from 25:43 · Taylor Swift and Karlie Kloss friendship
Claudia Oshry
Claudia Oshry predicted Swift would not release new music soon because it would disrupt her Oscar campaign.
“So I actually think announcing some music and like an album would be disruptive for that campaign”
Listen from 30:51
Claudia Oshry
Claudia Oshry said the memoir portrays Alex Cooper as duplicitous and as having planned the split in advance.
“she was completely blinded, but there were so many signs that Alex like, is this deeply like evil duplicitous person who was planning this all along”
Listen from 37:47 · Daddy Issues (Sofia Franklyn memoir)
Jackie Oshry
Jackie Oshry said new creators often mistake online hate for useful feedback when it is actually garbage.
“You don't realize for years that that's not feedback. Like that's garbage. You're digesting garbage”
Listen from 39:14 · Call Her Daddy
Jackie Oshry
Jackie Oshry said the memoir is relatively favorable to Dave Portnoy.
“Well, I also want to say that I think the book is actually pretty good for Dave”
Listen from 40:30 · Daddy Issues (Sofia Franklyn memoir)
Claudia Oshry
Claudia Oshry argued that Kylie Jenner's rare public appearances let her deliver stronger red-carpet looks than Kim Kardashian.
“Kylie goes to maybe six events a year, which means she has a lot of time to find six of the most sickening looks”
Listen from 45:53 · LACMA Art + Film Gala
Jackie Oshry
Jackie Oshry predicted that Alex Cooper, who is on maternity leave, would not publicly address the memoir's claims.
“we probably won't hear from her for months. I don't think she will address anything that's said in the book”
Listen from 48:44 · Daddy Issues (Sofia Franklyn memoir)
Claudia Oshry
Claudia Oshry said that although Call Her Daddy was framed as a female-empowerment show, according to the book it was scripted by a man.
“The entire thing was written by a man. Like the advice, the episodes were scripted”
Listen from 49:45 · Call Her Daddy
Claudia Oshry
Claudia Oshry attributed the closure of Lively's beverage brands to her poor public standing this year.
“And I don't know if anybody has a lower Q score in this year than Miss Blake Lively”
Listen from 56:37 · Betty Buzz
Jackie Oshry
Jackie Oshry argued that the brand's past success reflected Lively's former popularity, since it was a niche non-alcoholic product from a non-drinker.
“But I also think it speaks to Blake Lively's former popularity that this brand was ever even successful because she doesn't drink”
Listen from 57:13 · Betty Buzz
Claudia Oshry
Claudia Oshry doubted Chris Harrison's claim that being fired was for the best and said he should still be hosting.
“And it wouldn't have happened if they didn't fire him. I don't think that's true”
Listen from 1:01:01 · The Bachelor (American TV series)
Claudia Oshry
Claudia Oshry said she had considered the Bachelor franchise over after the Taylor Frankie Paul season backfired.
“I'm of the mind that the franchise was over. The Taylor-Frankie-Paul thing really had promise”
Listen from 1:01:55 · The Bachelor (American TV series)
Jackie Oshry
Jackie Oshry argued that The Bachelor remains a necessary pipeline for other reality shows, even though she has not watched it in years.
“honestly been a constant in our lives. I don't want to live in a world without The Bachelor”
Listen from 1:02:58 · The Bachelor (American TV series)

People

In the conversation

Claudia OshryAmerican media personality, podcaster and co-host of The Toast, known as Girl With No Job
Jackie OshryAmerican podcaster and co-host of The Toast, Claudia Oshry's sister

Discussed

Taylor SwiftAmerican singer-songwriter cited as an example of public love-and-hate cycles
Karlie KlossAmerican model and Taylor Swift's former close friend
Travis KelceNFL tight end and New Heights co-host engaged to Taylor Swift
Scooter BraunAmerican music executive who coordinated a March for Our Lives event Prince attended
Alex CooperAmerican podcaster and media entrepreneur, host of Call Her Daddy
Sofia FranklynFormer Call Her Daddy co-host and author of the memoir Daddy Issues
Dave PortnoyBarstool Sports founder known for pizza reviews
Blake LivelyAmerican actress who sued Justin Baldoni and Wayfarer Studios
Ryan ReynoldsActor and husband of Blake Lively
Kim KardashianReality star and businesswoman pursuing a law license
Kylie JennerAmerican media personality
Alix EarleSocial media influencer and 2026 Sports Illustrated Swimsuit cover model
Chris HarrisonFormer host of The Bachelor
Jesse PalmerCurrent host of The Bachelor and a former Bachelor lead
Matilda DjerfSwedish influencer and fashion entrepreneur

Topics

From the publisher

1. Taylor Swift and Karlie Kloss Reunite at Travis Kelce’s Chiefs Game Against Jets (Variety) (20:11) 2. Alex Cooper ‘freaking out’ over book that implies fling with Dave Portnoy by ex-‘Call Her Daddy’ co-host Sofia Franklyn (Page Six) (32:31) 3. All of the Best Looks From the 2026 LACMA Art + Film Gala (Vogue) (44:27) 4. Blake Lively moving to shutter drinks brand Betty Booze — just 3 years after divisive launch (Page Six) (55:40) 5. The Bachelor Is Officially Returning in 2027 After Nearly 2 Years Off the Air (PEOPLE) (59:09) The Toast with Jackie (@JackieOshry) and Claudia Oshry (@girlwithnojob) ⁠⁠⁠The Toast Patreon ⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠Toast Merch⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠Girl With No Job by Claudia Oshry⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠The Camper & The Counselor⁠⁠⁠⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Summary, chapters and key points were generated from the episode transcript on November 10, 2026. Quotes are checked word for word against the transcript.

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