Media Literate Truthtellers: Thursday, April 30th, 2026

Episode of The Toast · April 30, 2026 · 1 h 8 min

Sisters Claudia and Jackie Oshry discuss the murder of Summer House star Wes Wilson's grandmother, Taylor Swift's Spotify clause, Cara Delevingne's music career, Queen Camilla's New York visit, and Selling Sunset.

Summary

Hosts Claudia and Jackie Oshry opened with banter about being "Mrs. Truth" and "anti-truth," Jackie's stressful highway drive to a Florida meeting with Claudia's husband Ben, a mahjong-themed birthday party, and Jackie's kitchen renovation vlog. They also touched on the ongoing Alex Cooper controversy, with Claudia reading a recent Instagram story by Cooper as a response to reports that she rarely visits the Unwell office.

The lead story concerned the arrest of Dakota Sweeney, cousin of Summer House cast member Wes Wilson, for the alleged murder of their grandmother Gail Wilson in Carrollton, Missouri, the night before the show's reunion was filmed. Both hosts said they felt sympathy for Wilson; they speculated about whether he knew during the reunion taping and about the future of his relationship with Amanda Batula and the show's cast. They also noted blog reports that Jennifer Lawrence helped expose the leak at the center of the show's scandal.

Jackie reported that Taylor Swift's 2018 Universal Music Group contract clause, requiring non-recoupable payouts to artists from any sale of UMG's Spotify shares, was now paying out; Claudia praised Swift and criticized artists who disparage her while benefiting. Discussing Cara Delevingne's first headline tour led to a rumor Claudia had heard that Swift would marry in the Hamptons, and a comparison with the reported cost of Jeff Bezos's Venice wedding.

The hosts then covered Queen Camilla's New York Public Library literacy event during the royal visit tied to America's 250th anniversary, arguing that the royal family erred in keeping Charles and Camilla apart in the 1970s. They closed with news that Christine Quinn and Heather Rae El Moussa are returning to Selling Sunset, which Claudia dismissed as fake while arguing Netflix has lost ground in reality television.

Chapters

  1. 0:25

    Opening banter and Florida meeting

    The hosts joke about being truth tellers and recount Jackie's highway drive to a work meeting with Claudia's husband Ben.

  2. 5:09

    Mahjong party, birthdays and kitchen reno

    Claudia describes a mahjong-themed birthday party, and the sisters discuss upcoming family birthdays and Jackie's kitchen renovation vlog.

  3. 10:17

    Wes Wilson preview and Alex Cooper update

    The hosts preview the Wes Wilson story and update listeners on the Alex Cooper scandal and her recent social media posts.

  4. 22:09

    Murder of Wes Wilson's grandmother

    Jackie reads the report on Dakota Sweeney's arrest and the hosts discuss Wes Wilson, the Summer House reunion, and the cast's future.

  5. 34:35

    Taylor Swift's Spotify clause

    The hosts discuss Swift's non-recoupable UMG clause paying artists and criticize peers who disparage her.

  6. 40:59

    Cara Delevingne's music career and Taylor Swift wedding rumors

    The sisters react to Delevingne's first tour, then discuss a rumored Hamptons wedding for Swift and the cost of the Bezos wedding.

  7. 53:12

    Queen Camilla in New York

    The hosts discuss the royal U.S. visit and argue that Charles and Camilla should have been allowed to marry decades earlier.

  8. 1:03:11

    Selling Sunset returns

    The hosts react to Christine Quinn and Heather Rae El Moussa rejoining Selling Sunset and critique Netflix reality TV.

Key points

What was said, by whom, with the exact words. Timestamps jump to the moment.

  • Claudia Oshry

    Claudia Oshry argues that Alex Cooper's Instagram story about wearing Uggs to the office was a heavy-handed response to reports she never visits the Unwell office.

    “I feel as though it was a not so subtle response to the claims in that article that she never goes to the unwell office”

    Listen from 15:12 · Alex Cooper Unwell controversy

  • Claudia Oshry

    Claudia Oshry characterizes the alleged killing of Gail Wilson as the act of a genuinely evil person.

    “It takes like a genuinely evil person to kill an elderly woman who has quite literally like never posed a threat to you”

    Listen from 23:50 · Murder of Gail Wilson

  • Claudia Oshry

    Claudia Oshry says she feels sympathy for Wes Wilson despite his unpopularity amid the Summer House scandal.

    “I'm gonna say the thing that you're not supposed to say. Which is? I feel bad for West”

    Listen from 24:43 · Murder of Gail Wilson

  • Jackie Oshry

    Jackie Oshry expects Amanda Batula and Wes Wilson to return to Summer House while Ciara Miller does not.

    “my assumption of how this should play out is Amanda and Wes go back and Sierra doesn't. I don't think Sierra wants to go”

    Listen from 27:11 · Summer House (TV series)

  • Jackie Oshry

    Jackie Oshry argues that Wes Wilson and Amanda Batula should have waited until the next filming summer to pursue their relationship.

    “I really think that if they really wanted to be together and cared about how it played out, that they should have waited for the summer”

    Listen from 30:13 · Summer House (TV series)

  • Claudia Oshry

    Claudia Oshry believes Wes Wilson feels trapped in his relationship with Amanda Batula, though grief might bring them closer.

    “he feels trapped. She likes him more than he likes her”

    Listen from 30:19 · Summer House (TV series)

  • Jackie Oshry

    Jackie Oshry explains that the non-recoupable provision is significant because UMG must pay every artist regardless of outstanding advances.

    “The final word, non-recoupable, is what makes the provision so significant because they will have to pay every artist on their roster”

    Listen from 35:33 · Taylor Swift Spotify clause

  • Claudia Oshry

    Claudia Oshry argues that other artists resent Swift while claiming to champion artists' rights that she actually advances.

    “Everybody in the industry hates her, but everybody loves to be like artists rights and we own our art”

    Listen from 37:23 · Taylor Swift Spotify clause

  • Jackie Oshry

    Jackie Oshry notes that Swift pressured Apple Music to pay artists for streams during free trials.

    “there was a point where artists wouldn't get paid for anything, any of their music stream during like a seven day free trial”

    Listen from 37:36 · Taylor Swift Spotify clause

  • Claudia Oshry

    Claudia Oshry contends that real change in record-label economics has come only from Swift or from artists who avoid labels entirely.

    “the only time I've ever heard of actual change being enacted is Ms. Taylor Swift or when people like skirt the whole system”

    Listen from 38:39 · Universal Music Group

  • Linked moment · 40:59Skip to 40:59 using a listen link in the info box.

    Claudia Oshry

    Claudia Oshry reports an unverified tip that Taylor Swift will marry in the Hamptons rather than New York City.

    “I got a tip. So just take this with a grain of salt that she's getting married in the Hamptons”

    Listen from 42:33 · Taylor Swift and Travis Kelce wedding

  • Jackie Oshry

    Jackie Oshry argues the royal family was wrong to prevent Charles from marrying Camilla when they first fell in love.

    “so frustrating to me that they didn't just let Charles marry her when he was in love with her as a boy”

    Listen from 53:54 · Relationship of Charles III and Camilla

  • Claudia Oshry

    Claudia Oshry argues the scandals of Charles's marriage to Diana were far worse for the monarchy than a marriage to Camilla would have been.

    “in hindsight, what they ended up going through was so much worse than the future king marrying somebody who didn't have a title”

    Listen from 56:35 · Relationship of Charles III and Camilla

  • Claudia Oshry

    Claudia Oshry believes Charles and Camilla's story is a true love story and that they have a happy marriage.

    “Say what you want about them, but I do believe they have a deeply happy marriage”

    Listen from 58:06 · Relationship of Charles III and Camilla

  • Claudia Oshry

    Claudia Oshry thinks King Charles removed advisors who had disparaged Camilla after becoming king.

    “I think he got rid of all those advisors and people who, like, said that shit about Camilla”

    Listen from 59:13 · Relationship of Charles III and Camilla

  • Jackie Oshry

    Jackie Oshry says Selling Sunset needs Christine Quinn back because she served as the show's villain.

    “I understood why they didn't bring Christine back at the time, but they need her”

    Listen from 1:04:06 · Selling Sunset

  • Claudia Oshry

    Claudia Oshry dismisses Selling Sunset as essentially scripted and fake.

    “The show is so fake. It's so fake. The people are fake. The houses are fake. It puts reality TV to shame”

    Listen from 1:04:24 · Selling Sunset

  • Claudia Oshry

    Claudia Oshry argues Netflix initially disrupted traditional reality TV but has lost momentum, with Hulu now picking up the baton.

    “Yeah, Netflix, like for me, is losing the reality games. I feel like they, I feel like they put traditional reality TV”

    Listen from 1:05:23 · Netflix reality television

  • Jackie Oshry

    Jackie Oshry predicts Christine Quinn will dominate the other cast members despite saying motherhood softened her.

    “Like I feel like she's going to eat these girls for breakfast”

    Listen from 1:06:03 · Selling Sunset

People

In the conversation

  • Claudia OshryAmerican media personality, podcaster and co-host of The Toast, known as Girl With No Job
  • Jackie OshryAmerican podcaster and co-host of The Toast, Claudia Oshry's sister

Discussed

Topics

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From the publisher

1. ‘Summer House’ star West Wilson’s cousin arrested for murdering their grandmother (Page Six) (22:09) 2. Taylor Swift's 'Spotify clause' is paying artists real money now (USA Today) (34:38) 3. Cara Delevingne Launches Music Career and Announces Tour: 'My Biggest Fear and My Greatest Love' (PEOPLE) (41:09) 4. Queen Camilla in the City! Royal Teams Up with Sarah Jessica Parker, Anna Wintour and More at New York Public Library (PEOPLE) (53:13) 5. Christine Quinn and Heather Rae El Moussa Are Officially Returning to Selling Sunset: ‘Growth Can Still Come with an Edge’ (PEOPLE) (1:03:09) The Toast with Jackie (@JackieOshry) and Claudia Oshry (@girlwithnojob) ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠The Toast Patreon ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Toast Merch ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Girl With No Job by Claudia Oshry ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠The Camper & The Counselor⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Lean In⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Disclaimer: Yasso awarded as product coupons. No purchase necessary. Open to 50 US/DC, 18+. Ends 11:59pm ET 4/30. Rules: ⁠⁠⁠⁠yasso.com/TOAST⁠⁠⁠⁠. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Summary, chapters and key points were generated from the episode transcript on September 27, 2026. Quotes are checked word for word against the transcript.

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