Thank You Amanda Batula: Wednesday, June 17th, 2026
Episode of The Toast · June 17, 2026 · 1 h 18 min
Jackie and Claudia Oshry recap Summer House: The Aftermath, the Jelly Roll–Bunnie Xo split, Taylor Swift and Joe Alwyn news, Ballerina Farm, and Love Island USA.
Summary
The Oshry sisters opened by celebrating The Toast's biggest month ever, which Claudia credited largely to coverage of the West Wilson and Amanda Batula scandal, and debated the format of Love Island USA. Jackie argued the show was badly designed and rewarded couples who played it safe, while Claudia defended the format but suggested casting older, more serious contestants.
The main story was Bravo's Summer House: The Aftermath special. Both praised Lindsay Hubbard's warm but firm conversation with Amanda Batula as the most revealing, found Wes Wilson's talk with Kyle Cooke frustrating and evasive, and criticized Ciara Miller's conversation with Wilson's former girlfriend Mija as beneath her. Claudia argued Batula's choices stemmed partly from a difficult marriage to Cooke.
They then discussed Jelly Roll filing for divorce from Bunnie Xo after nearly ten years, expressing shock given the couple's public devotion and backstory. On Taylor Swift's all-night session at Electric Lady Studios with Haim, Claudia doubted it had anything to do with Joe Alwyn being photographed kissing Sarah Pidgeon, while Jackie said Alwyn was doing things publicly he never did with Swift. They speculated about performers at Swift's wedding.
Discussing Vulture's interview with Ballerina Farm's Hannah Neeleman, both defended her against tradwife criticism, with Claudia arguing that public critiques of women's lifestyles reflect the critics' own insecurities. The episode closed with a recap of Love Island USA season 8, episode 13, including Kenzie choosing Corbin over Caleb and criticism of Sincere and Melanie.
Chapters
- 0:03
Intro and reading history
The hosts open the show and Jackie mentions finishing a history book as a break from reality TV.
- 2:22
Record month thanks to Wes and Amanda
Claudia and Jackie preview the Summer House bonus episode and thank Amanda Batula for driving their biggest month ever.
- 6:12
Love Island format debate
Jackie argues Love Island USA has a flawed format while Claudia suggests casting older, more serious contestants.
- 15:44
Summer House: The Aftermath
The hosts break down the three conversations, praising Lindsay and Amanda's talk and criticizing Wes's evasiveness and Ciara's talk with Mija.
- 34:12
Jelly Roll and Bunnie Xo divorce
The sisters react with shock to Jelly Roll filing for divorce and recount the couple's backstory.
- 39:27
Taylor Swift, Haim, and Joe Alwyn
They debate whether Swift's all-night studio session relates to Joe Alwyn's romance with Sarah Pidgeon and speculate on her wedding performers.
- 53:44
Ballerina Farm's Vulture interview
Both defend Hannah Neeleman against tradwife criticism and discuss why people project onto influencers.
Linked moment · 1:03:27Skip to 1:03:27 using a listen link in the info box.
1:03:27Love Island USA recoupling recap
The hosts recap episode 13, including Kenzie choosing Corbin, Sol's heartbreak, and Kenzie's argument about vision scores.
Key points
What was said, by whom, with the exact words. Timestamps jump to the moment.
- Claudia Oshry
Claudia Oshry says April was The Toast's biggest month ever in streams and downloads, driven largely by the Wes and Amanda story.
“We had our biggest month of toast ever. ever like in terms of streams downloads like there was a lot”
Listen from 4:02 · West Wilson and Amanda Batula relationship
- Jackie Oshry
Jackie Oshry argues Love Island USA's problems stem from the show's format rather than this particular season.
“It's not that this is a bad season. It's just a bad show and it's a bad format”
- Claudia Oshry
Claudia Oshry defends Love Island's format but says it needs key adjustments, such as casting older, more serious daters.
“I think that the show actually is a good format. I think that there's a couple of key elements they need to work on”
- Jackie Oshry
Jackie Oshry argues Love Island prioritizes sexual content over romance.
“they're more interested in like the pornography that they're shooting versus the love aspect of the show”
- Jackie Oshry
Jackie Oshry praises Lindsay Hubbard's tone in her conversation with Amanda Batula.
“Lindsay's tone was a hundred percent right. It was actually very impressive how she was able to be warm and tough and mad and nice”
- Claudia Oshry
Claudia Oshry argues Batula's choices are largely explained by her difficult marriage to Kyle Cooke.
“so much of how she got to a place where she could be so stupid has to do with the seven year torture chamber she was in”
Listen from 18:48 · West Wilson and Amanda Batula relationship
- Claudia Oshry
Claudia Oshry criticizes Ciara Miller's conversation with Mija as revenge-driven and beneath her.
“this like, you know, revenge becoming best friends with the girl behavior is so beneath Sierra”
- Jackie Oshry
Jackie Oshry says the more she hears from Mija, the more it vindicates Wes in her view.
“The more we hear and see from Mija, like, the more I think it, like, It starts to vindicate West”
Listen from 25:48 · West Wilson and Amanda Batula relationship
- Claudia Oshry
Claudia Oshry argues Wes having a secret girlfriend all summer reveals his bad character.
“he had a full-blown girlfriend the entire summer. That's actually crazy. It really speaks to his demonic character”
Listen from 26:03 · West Wilson and Amanda Batula relationship
- Jackie Oshry
Jackie Oshry says Jelly Roll and Bunnie Xo were among the last couples she expected to divorce.
“this is just one of the last people I thought would get divorced”
- Claudia Oshry
Claudia Oshry rejects the idea that Bunnie Xo was with Jelly Roll for money, noting she once paid his rent.
“people are always like, she's with him for the money. And it's like, girl, she used to pay his rent. This was a true love”
- Jackie Oshry
Jackie Oshry objects that Joe Alwyn is publicly doing things with Sarah Pidgeon he never did with Taylor Swift.
“he's doing all the things with Sarah that he would never do with Taylor”
Listen from 40:17 · Joe Alwyn and Sarah Pidgeon relationship
- Claudia Oshry
Claudia Oshry argues Alwyn, despite being Swift's longest relationship, had the least musical impact on her.
“his relationship, the longest of Taylor's entire dating history, seemed to have had the least impact on her musically”
Listen from 40:43 · Joe Alwyn and Sarah Pidgeon relationship
- Claudia Oshry
Claudia Oshry doubts Swift's all-night studio session was prompted by the Alwyn–Pidgeon photos.
“I actually don't think she went to the studio having anything to do with Sarah Pigeon”
- Claudia Oshry
Claudia Oshry was surprised Hannah Neeleman did more press after her Sunday Times interview experience.
“I'm surprised she did press because I feel like she was so burned by that moronic Sunday times interview”
- Jackie Oshry
Jackie Oshry calls Vulture's headline about Ballerina Farm condescending.
“Even the title ballerina farm is happy with her choices. Was that a question? It's so condescending”
- Claudia Oshry
Claudia Oshry argues commentary on women's lifestyles usually reflects the commenter's own insecurities.
“when we comment on other mostly women's life lifestyle culture like it's more often than not a reflection on the person who's commenting”
- Claudia Oshry
Claudia Oshry says Sol was used as a pawn in Sincere and Melanie's toxic relationship.
“soul was very much just a pawn in the toxic cycle of sincere and melanie”
- Claudia Oshry
Claudia Oshry relays claims that some contestants may access the internet from certain spots in the villa.
“some Islanders from past seasons have said if you go to certain parts of the villa, a phone that they give you will give you internet”
People
In the conversation
- Claudia OshryAmerican media personality, podcaster and co-host of The Toast, known as Girl With No Job
- Jackie OshryAmerican podcaster and co-host of The Toast, Claudia Oshry's sister
Discussed
- Amanda BatulaSummer House cast member
- West WilsonSummer House cast member
- Ciara MillerSummer House cast member
- Lindsay HubbardSummer House cast member
- Kyle CookeSummer House cast member and Amanda Batula's husband
- Jelly RollAmerican singer whose show Von attended and who Langley says also got burnt out
- Bunnie XoPodcaster and wife of Jelly Roll
- Taylor SwiftAmerican singer-songwriter cited as an example of public love-and-hate cycles
- Joe AlwynBritish actor and Taylor Swift's former partner
- Sarah PidgeonAmerican actress photographed with Joe Alwyn
- Travis KelceNFL tight end and New Heights co-host engaged to Taylor Swift
- Matty HealyFrontman of The 1975, briefly linked to Taylor Swift
- Hannah NeelemanInfluencer and entrepreneur behind Ballerina Farm
- Hannah BernerComedian and former Summer House cast member
Topics
- Summer House (TV series)
- West Wilson and Amanda Batula relationship
- Love Island USA
- Jelly Roll and Bunnie Xo divorce
- Joe Alwyn and Sarah Pidgeon relationship
- Taylor Swift and Travis Kelce wedding
- Ballerina Farm
- Tradwife
- Electric Lady Studios
- Yesteryear (novel)
- Social media and self-presentation
- Perfect Match (TV series)
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From the publisher
1. Inside ‘Summer House: The Aftermath,’ Whether Bravo Protects Amanda Batula and Why Ciara Miller Is the ‘Future’ of the Show (Variety) (15:47) 2. Inside Jelly Roll and Bunnie Xo's 'Complicated Dynamic' and What Went Wrong Leading to Split (PEOPLE) (34:13) 3. Taylor Swift Leaves Music Studio with Haim Sisters After All-Nighter Recording Session (Just Jared), Love Story Star Sarah Pidgeon Kisses Joe Alwyn During Cozy Night Out in N.Y.C. (PEOPLE) (39:26) 4. Ballerina Farm Is Happy With Her Choices (Vulture) (53:43) 5. 'Love Island USA' Season 8 Episode 13 recap: Recoupling shakes villa as Kenzie chooses Corbin over Caleb (The Express Tribune) (1:03:28) The Toast with Jackie (@JackieOshry) and Claudia Oshry (@girlwithnojob) The Toast Patreon Toast Merch Girl With No Job by Claudia Oshry The Camper & The Counselor Lean In Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Summary, chapters and key points were generated from the episode transcript on September 29, 2026. Quotes are checked word for word against the transcript.