What Sheila Heen has said about Conflict repair in relationships

Heen argues that difficult conversations are not merely part of important relationships but constitute the relationship itself.

“it's not just that we have difficult conversations in our most important relationships. Those conversations are the relationship”

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Heen says a joke during an escalating argument works as an invitation to step outside and see the pattern.

“one of the spouses will often make a joke. But the purpose of the joke is that it's an invitation to step outside this argument and to see it for what it is”

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Heen stresses that asking a partner what they are worried about must be a genuine question rather than a rhetorical attack.

“And it needs to be a genuine ask. You can't say like, what are you worried about? Because that's really a hot question”

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