Tania de Jong
Australian entrepreneur, singer and co-founder of Mind Medicine Australia
Tania de Jong (Australian entrepreneur, singer and co-founder of Mind Medicine Australia) has appeared as a guest on 1 episode in TMT. Topics they speak about most include Psychedelic therapy, Therapeutic Goods Administration, Psilocybin therapy.
In their words
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Psychedelic therapy
De Jong hopes nutrition and exercise will increasingly be part of post-treatment integration to prevent relapse.
“there's all sorts of things around nutrition and exercise that we're hoping will be more and more included as integration therapy post-treatment”
The Tim Ferriss Show: #883: How to Legalize Medical Psychedelics in Your Country — Tania de Jong on The Playbook Behind Australia's World-First Breakthrough (Sep 18, 2026) · Listen from 51:38
De Jong opposed funding research that replicated trials already conducted many times overseas, which brought conflict with some researchers.
“we were not fans of replicating trials that had already been undertaken at least five to 10 or more times in other markets overseas”
The Tim Ferriss Show: #883: How to Legalize Medical Psychedelics in Your Country — Tania de Jong on The Playbook Behind Australia's World-First Breakthrough (Sep 18, 2026) · Listen from 1:15:41
De Jong emphasizes that therapist time, not medicine, accounts for most of the treatment cost.
“it is really important to say that the majority of that cost is therapeutic time”
The Tim Ferriss Show: #883: How to Legalize Medical Psychedelics in Your Country — Tania de Jong on The Playbook Behind Australia's World-First Breakthrough (Sep 18, 2026) · Listen from 1:33:32
De Jong says the full course of treatment costs up to about A$25,000, mostly due to therapist time rather than the drug.
“So it's about a three to four month course that is costing maybe up to about $25,000 Australian dollars, about say $15,000 US dollars”
The Tim Ferriss Show: #883: How to Legalize Medical Psychedelics in Your Country — Tania de Jong on The Playbook Behind Australia's World-First Breakthrough (Sep 18, 2026) · Listen from 1:32:29
- Prediction · due Sep 2029
De Jong conservatively predicts around 5,000 Australian patients could be treated over the next three years.
“So maybe it will get to 5,000 by then. This is me being conservative”
The Tim Ferriss Show: #883: How to Legalize Medical Psychedelics in Your Country — Tania de Jong on The Playbook Behind Australia's World-First Breakthrough (Sep 18, 2026) · Listen from 53:39
De Jong reports that Australian clinics are seeing 60 to 80 percent remission rates, matching international trials.
“we are seeing 60 to 80% remission rates in Australia, which is replicating what we've seen in trials around the world”
The Tim Ferriss Show: #883: How to Legalize Medical Psychedelics in Your Country — Tania de Jong on The Playbook Behind Australia's World-First Breakthrough (Sep 18, 2026) · Listen from 44:42
Therapeutic Goods Administration
De Jong believes the testimony of a widow, more than David Nutt's science presentation, was decisive in persuading TGA staff.
“I think it was the fact that people could see a real life example”
The Tim Ferriss Show: #883: How to Legalize Medical Psychedelics in Your Country — Tania de Jong on The Playbook Behind Australia's World-First Breakthrough (Sep 18, 2026) · Listen from 1:25:31
De Jong argues that a key argument to the TGA was that inaction itself carried risk because treatment-resistant patients might take their own lives.
“one of the arguments that was really important for the Therapeutic Goods Administration was there's a risk to not doing anything”
The Tim Ferriss Show: #883: How to Legalize Medical Psychedelics in Your Country — Tania de Jong on The Playbook Behind Australia's World-First Breakthrough (Sep 18, 2026) · Listen from 43:33
De Jong says the final rescheduling consultation drew over 13,000 public submissions, with more than 98% in support.
“over 13,000 Australians supported this submission through public submissions to our Therapeutic Goods Administration supporting the medicine”
The Tim Ferriss Show: #883: How to Legalize Medical Psychedelics in Your Country — Tania de Jong on The Playbook Behind Australia's World-First Breakthrough (Sep 18, 2026) · Listen from 13:59
Psilocybin therapy
De Jong says Mind Medicine Australia has applied to extend psilocybin access to end-of-life distress, citing the legality of assisted dying.
“We're trying to extend the psilocybin to end of life stress and anxiety because, you know, virtual assisted dying is legal in Australia”
The Tim Ferriss Show: #883: How to Legalize Medical Psychedelics in Your Country — Tania de Jong on The Playbook Behind Australia's World-First Breakthrough (Sep 18, 2026) · Listen from 1:26:00
- Prediction · due Mar 2027
De Jong anticipates that psilocybin medicines from Usona and Compass Pathways will become registered within about six months.
“Over the next six months or so, we anticipate a number of these medicines becoming registered medicines”
The Tim Ferriss Show: #883: How to Legalize Medical Psychedelics in Your Country — Tania de Jong on The Playbook Behind Australia's World-First Breakthrough (Sep 18, 2026) · Listen from 27:11
Mind Medicine Australia
Responding to criticism of the organization's aggressiveness, de Jong argues that a less forceful campaign would not have succeeded.
“in terms of this particular campaign, I don't really think that anything less would have been enough”
The Tim Ferriss Show: #883: How to Legalize Medical Psychedelics in Your Country — Tania de Jong on The Playbook Behind Australia's World-First Breakthrough (Sep 18, 2026) · Listen from 1:50:20
De Jong says a hiring mistake was taking on staff with lived experience of mental illness who were not ready for a high-stress advocacy environment.
“we were attracting people who still needed to do more work on themselves rather than working in a high powered high stress environment”
The Tim Ferriss Show: #883: How to Legalize Medical Psychedelics in Your Country — Tania de Jong on The Playbook Behind Australia's World-First Breakthrough (Sep 18, 2026) · Listen from 1:16:46
Predictions
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- Prediction · due Mar 2027
De Jong anticipates that psilocybin medicines from Usona and Compass Pathways will become registered within about six months.
“Over the next six months or so, we anticipate a number of these medicines becoming registered medicines”
The Tim Ferriss Show: #883: How to Legalize Medical Psychedelics in Your Country — Tania de Jong on The Playbook Behind Australia's World-First Breakthrough (Sep 18, 2026) · Listen from 27:11 · Psilocybin therapy
- Prediction · due Sep 2029
De Jong conservatively predicts around 5,000 Australian patients could be treated over the next three years.
“So maybe it will get to 5,000 by then. This is me being conservative”
The Tim Ferriss Show: #883: How to Legalize Medical Psychedelics in Your Country — Tania de Jong on The Playbook Behind Australia's World-First Breakthrough (Sep 18, 2026) · Listen from 53:39 · Psychedelic therapy
Appearances
#883: How to Legalize Medical Psychedelics in Your Country — Tania de Jong on The Playbook Behind Australia's World-First BreakthroughThe Tim Ferriss Show · Sep 18, 2026 · 2 h 12 min
Tim Ferriss talks with Mind Medicine Australia co-founder Tania de Jong about how Australia became the first country to allow prescribing MDMA and psilocybin for psychiatric conditions.
Often appears with
- Tim Ferriss · 1 shared episode