#434 - FBI Occult Expert: Breakaway Civilizations, Antarctica & 1800's Airships | Walter Bosley

Episode of Danny Jones Podcast · September 25, 2026 · 3 h 15 min

Former FBI counterintelligence agent Walter Bosley tells Danny Jones about 19th-century airships, the Nazi Bell, remote viewing, Operation Paperclip, Disneyland's carousel, and occult murders.

Summary

Danny Jones interviewed Walter Bosley, a former FBI counterintelligence specialist and Air Force OSI agent turned author, about his research into hidden technological and occult history. Bosley described the Sonora Aero Club of the 1850s, known only through the journals of German immigrant Charles Dellschau, and argued that a "generator cone" in Dellschau's drawings was a proof-of-concept prototype of the Nazi Bell. He connected the club to the 1890s mystery airship sightings and to Solomon Andrews's Civil War-era Aereon, proposing that the airships were the product of an early secret government-industry project.

Bosley recounted his own career, guided by a CIA-connected uncle who mentored him, taught him necromancy, and claimed James Jesus Angleton as his own mentor. He said his FBI Russian-language class at Fort Meade was used as unwitting targets for the remote viewing program, defended Rick Doty while blaming the NSA for Paul Bennewitz's breakdown, and described an Antarctica story he believes was planted to test his trustworthiness. He called the Tic Tac encounter likely a technology test, dismissed the Corey Goode-era secret space program claims as a diversion, and said he believes the Moon landings were real but that earlier secret attempts may have preceded Apollo 11.

Bosley presented his view of Operation Paperclip as a Trojan horse invasion by Prussian-descended industrialists, drawing on a 1937 book by Winkler. Discussion turned to Tom O'Neill's Chaos and Reeve Whitson's role in the Manson murders, and to Bosley's Latitude 33 hypothesis that C.V. Wood placed Disneyland's carousel atop intersecting telluric currents as a benign psychotronic device.

Finally, Bosley described the 1915 San Bernardino deaths investigated in his Empire of the Wheel books, the surveillance and intimidation he said he faced in 2009, his identification of the drowned woman as Etta Place, his claim that the Sundance Kid was an undercover government agent, the alleged murder of Harry Houdini by spiritualists, and what he saw as the eerie fulfillment of a 2011 prediction in the 2015 San Bernardino attack.

Chapters

1:44
The Sonora Aero Club and Dellschau's journals
Bosley introduces the 1850s Sonora Aero Club, the NYMZA organization, and Charles Dellschau's coded journals found in 1971.
12:48
Dellschau's drawings and the Nazi Bell
Bosley argues a bell-shaped generator cone in Dellschau's work is a prototype of Die Glocke and discusses its murky origins.
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21:15
The 1890s mystery airships
Bosley describes the widely reported 1896-97 airship sightings, crew encounters, and named figures like Samuel Tillman and Amos Dolbear.
32:47
Ancient visitors and remote viewing
Discussion moves to extraterrestrials in ancient texts, Scientology, and Bosley's theory that remote viewing predated official accounts, foreshadowed by novels.
50:00
Bosley's awakening and government career
Bosley recounts a 1979 consciousness shift, his uncle-mentor, and his path into FBI counterintelligence and Russian training at Fort Meade.
1:05:39
Bennewitz, Doty, and Civil War airships
Bosley blames the NSA for Paul Bennewitz's breakdown and links Solomon Andrews's Aereon to a secret post-war airship project.
1:14:58
Tic Tacs, radar spoofing, and the cosmic war
Bosley calls the Tic Tac a technology test, discusses perception management, and outlines Joseph Farrell's theories of returning 'cousins'.
1:31:15
Necromancy, Antarctica, and the secret space program
Bosley describes his mentor's tests, a planted Antarctica story, and dismisses the Corey Goode-era secret space program claims.
1:40:49
The Moon landings and Air Force space programs
Bosley says the Moon landings were real but suspects earlier secret attempts and a continuing classified Air Force space program.
1:49:28
Operation Paperclip as a Trojan horse
Bosley presents his view that Prussian-descended elites infiltrated the U.S. through Paperclip, citing Winkler's The Thousand-Year Conspiracy.
2:04:41
Tesla's Mars airship and the breakaway gap
Bosley recounts the 1903 Mars airship story, Heaviside's GEM, T. Townsend Brown, and his father's anti-gravity account.
2:15:16
Chaos and the Manson murders
Bosley questions Reeve Whitson's and Colonel Paul Tate's knowledge and an aerospace connection to the Tate murders.
2:22:57
Latitude 33 and the Disneyland carousel
Bosley explains his hypothesis that C.V. Wood placed the carousel on intersecting telluric currents, plus his Alfred Watkins synchronicity.
2:37:33
Karmic frequency and synchronicity
Bosley describes karmic frequencies using his family's births and warns about the dangers of seeing patterns everywhere.
2:40:46
Empire of the Wheel and Etta Place
Bosley recounts the 1915 San Bernardino deaths, surveillance against him, Etta Place, the Sundance Kid as an agent, Houdini's death, and the 2015 attack.

Key points

What was said, by whom, with the exact words. Timestamps jump to the moment.

Walter Bosley
Bosley rejects the view that Dellschau was merely an outsider artist inventing his material.
“I don't because there's just too much there for him to have merely been an outsider artist making all this up”
Listen from 11:34 · Charles Dellschau
Walter Bosley
Bosley claims he found a prototype, proof-of-concept version of the Nazi Bell in Dellschau's drawings.
“I found the bell, a prototype proof of concept version of the bell in Del Shell's works”
Listen from 13:07 · Die Glocke
Walter Bosley
Bosley argues the 1890s airship sightings cannot be an April Fool's joke because the first was reported in November.
“There are those who, again, amazingly just write it off and say it was an April Fool's Day joke. Well, that's funny because the first one was reported in November”
Listen from 26:19 · 1896–97 mystery airship sightings
Walter Bosley
Bosley says his FBI language class was sent to Fort Meade because it served as training targets for the remote viewing program.
“is because we were used as training targets for the RV program. And I got this confirmation essentially from Lynn Buchanan”
Listen from 1:01:16 · Remote viewing
Walter Bosley
Bosley believes the NSA, not Rick Doty or OSI, drove Paul Bennewitz to breakdown.
“I don't demonize Rick Doty the way a lot of people do, because it is my opinion that the NSA drove Paul Benowitz crazy”
Listen from 1:07:01 · Unidentified flying objects and government disclosure
Walter Bosley
Bosley proposes that the 1890s airships came from the first black technology project after the Civil War.
“I think that at the end of the Civil War, possibly the very first black technology project was development of what became the 1890s airships”
Listen from 1:10:48 · 1896–97 mystery airship sightings
Walter Bosley
Bosley says he assessed the 2004 Tic Tac as a technology test conducted on unwitting pilots.
“my first assessment was, oh, that's some type of technology that was being tested”
Listen from 1:16:24 · Unidentified flying objects and government disclosure
Walter Bosley
Bosley recommends that people seeking the truth about UFOs research privately for five years without publicizing it.
“Go out and do your own research on UFOs. Five years, don't say a word. Don't write a book about it. Don't go on podcasts”
Listen from 1:29:40 · Unidentified flying objects and government disclosure
Walter Bosley
Bosley regards the Corey Goode-era secret space program stories as a calculated diversion from serious research.
“It was this particular group and it was, I think, a calculated diversion from serious classified space program research”
Listen from 1:36:07
Walter Bosley
Bosley hypothesizes Apollo 11 was not the first U.S. Moon landing, arguing a secret trial would have preceded the public one.
“Now, I don't think Apollo 11, this is a hypothesis of mine, that Apollo 11 was not the first time we did it”
Listen from 1:44:11 · Apollo 11
Walter Bosley
Bosley believes the Air Force continued a classified manned space program after NASA took over Mercury.
“But I do think the Air Force continued with a classified manned space program”
Listen from 1:46:07
Walter Bosley
Bosley characterizes Operation Paperclip as a Trojan horse invasion of the United States.
“But I now see Operation Paperclip as a Trojan horse invasion”
Listen from 1:49:53 · Operation Paperclip
Walter Bosley
Bosley asserts the Air Force developed its own MKUltra program and has never been made to disclose it.
“To this day, the Air Force has never been made to come clean with what they've been doing with MKUltra”
Listen from 2:11:16 · Project MKUltra
Walter Bosley
Bosley speculates Reeve Whitson may have been sent to clean up any aerospace connection to the Manson murders.
“so whitson might have been the guy to get in there and clean up any connection to these guys”
Listen from 2:21:20 · Tate–LaBianca murders
Walter Bosley
Bosley argues C.V. Wood engineered Disneyland as a psychotronic device by placing the carousel on intersecting telluric currents.
“what i argue is that he engineered disneyland physical disneyland to work as a psychotronic device on human consciousness”
Listen from 2:25:26 · Disneyland
Walter Bosley
Bosley says that while researching Empire of the Wheel he was overtly followed, which he took as an intimidation message.
“Anyway, this guy was overt. I mean, he made the multiple turns with me. It was a message”
Listen from 2:43:18 · Empire of the Wheel
Walter Bosley
Bosley claims to have documentary evidence that the Sundance Kid was essentially an undercover government agent.
“I have found what I think is documented evidence that Harry Longabaugh, the Sundance kid, was essentially an undercover government agent”
Listen from 2:56:00 · Etta Place
Walter Bosley
Bosley says he is confident Etta Place is buried in San Bernardino under the name Cora Stanton.
“I'm pretty confident that Etta Place lies buried in San Bernardino Mountain View Cemetery under the name Cora Stanton”
Listen from 3:00:33 · Etta Place
Walter Bosley
Bosley notes he and Rick Spence predicted in 2011 that something bad would emerge in San Bernardino in 2015.
“Rick and I say in 2011... that we fear that something's going to emerge in San Bernardino Valley in 2015”
Listen from 3:06:34 · 2015 San Bernardino attack

People

In the conversation

Danny JonesAmerican podcaster and host of the Danny Jones Podcast
Walter BosleyFormer FBI counterintelligence specialist and Air Force OSI agent, author and researcher of historical occult mysteries

Discussed

Charles DellschauGerman immigrant artist whose journals are the sole source on the Sonora Aero Club
Joseph FarrellAuthor on Nazi technology, the Bell, and breakaway civilizations
Catherine Austin FittsFormer U.S. official and researcher of missing government money and secret space programs
Greg BishopAuthor of Project Beta about the Paul Bennewitz affair
Paul BennewitzBusinessman targeted by government disinformation over UFO claims
Richard DotyFormer Air Force OSI agent tied to the Bennewitz affair
Samuel TillmanU.S. Army officer and West Point superintendent reportedly seen exiting an 1890s airship
Solomon AndrewsCivil War-era inventor of the Aereon flying machine
Lyn BuchananFormer U.S. Army remote viewer
Joseph McMoneagleArmy remote viewer in the Stargate program
T. Townsend BrownPhysicist associated with electrogravitics research
Tom O'NeillAuthor of Chaos, about the Manson family and MKUltra
Reeve WhitsonAlleged CIA-connected figure in the Manson case
Curtis LeMayU.S. Air Force general and 1968 vice-presidential candidate
C.V. WoodEngineer who selected the Anaheim site for Disneyland
Harry LongabaughOutlaw known as the Sundance Kid
Walter Franklin PrinceEpiscopal minister and psychical researcher who worked with Houdini
Harry HoudiniEscape artist and debunker of spiritualist mediums
James Jesus AngletonLongtime CIA counterintelligence chief
Nikola TeslaInventor allegedly commissioned to design a 1903 Mars airship
Gary McKinnonBritish hacker who breached NASA systems seeking UFO evidence

Topics

From the publisher

Watch every episode ad-free & uncensored on Patreon: https://patreon.com/dannyjones Walter Bosley is a former FBI counterintelligence specialist, Investigator of historical occult mysteries, author of pulp fiction novels and a screenwriter who has appeared on History Channel's 'Ancient Aliens'. SPONSORS https://whiterabbitenergy.com/?ref=DJP - Use code DJP for 20% off. EPISODE LINKS https://www.lulu.com/search?contributor=WALTER+BOSLEY *NEW* DJP MERCH https://dannyjonespodcast.com Get paid to make clips from the show: https://discord.com/invite/dannyjones FOLLOW DANNY JONES https://www.instagram.com/dannyjones https://twitter.com/jonesdanny OUTLINE 00:00 - The Sonora Aero Club & 1800s flying machines 07:23 - Charles Dellschau's journals 11:23 - Prototype of the Nazi Bell (Die Glocke) for flying machines 20:09 - Description of 1800s airships 24:35 - 1890s airship mystery 32:26 - Extraterrestrials have been here 36:04 - They're hiding the truth of remote viewing 48:40 - Walter's mentor & the "Blue Lady" 54:45 - Walter's first government application & early career 01:04:01 - Paul Bennewitz & government disinfo agents 01:07:42 - Civil War Era black budget flying machines 01:21:25 - Joseph Farrell's take on aliens & UFO phenomenon 01:27:45 - How individuals can learn the truth of UFOs 01:32:36 - Alleged Antarctica discovery in 1960 01:40:03 - Explaining secrets of the moon landing 01:47:57 - Operation Paperclip was a Trojan Horse 01:59:00 - NASA's secret bases 02:03:42 - 1903 airship that tried to go to Mars 02:06:11 - The gap that suggests a breakaway civilization 02:13:38 - Biggest unanswered question of Manson Murders 02:22:08 - The 33rd latitude line & Disneyland's carousel 02:35:11 - Karmic frequencies 02:39:49 - The murder investigation that got Walter threatened 02:53:45 - Harry Longabuagh (the Sundance Kid connection) 03:01:21 - Harry Houdini's death Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Summary, chapters and key points were generated from the episode transcript on October 3, 2026. Quotes are checked word for word against the transcript.

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