The Alien Invasion Already Happened. JFK, The CIA & Who’s Really Controlling History | Peter Levenda
Episode of Mayim Bialik's Breakdown · October 27, 2026 · 1 h 5 min
Author Peter Levenda tells Mayim Bialik and Jonathan Cohen about alleged UFO links to the JFK assassination, government disclosure, Nazi occultism and theories of Hitler's survival.
Summary
In the first part of a two-part interview, hosts Mayim Bialik and Jonathan Cohen spoke with author Peter Levenda about what he calls "sinister forces" shaping American history. Levenda described how his study of the Warren Commission volumes led him from Ruth Paine's testimony to Arthur Young and Andrija Puharich's 1950s group "The Nine," which claimed contact with non-human intelligence. He also recited the popular Lincoln–Kennedy coincidences and connected Guy Banister and Fred Crisman, figures in Jim Garrison's New Orleans investigation, to 1947 UFO events such as the Maury Island affair. Levenda argued that the pattern goes beyond ordinary conspiracy into something he could not fully explain.
The conversation turned to UFO disclosure. Levenda argued that the government teases disclosure to control the narrative, dismissed the idea of a secret treaty with aliens, and criticized the framing of non-human intelligence as angels and demons. He floated the possibility, raised by advisers to Tom DeLonge, that the Roswell crash involved a Nazi-derived prototype, and called for religious scholars, linguists, anthropologists and psychiatrists to study the phenomenon. He also described his own sighting of a silent, hovering triangular craft in South Florida. Bialik asked whether his work might have summoned the experience, and Cohen suggested such forces could reflect collective consciousness.
Levenda then discussed occultism in the SS and the link between occult thinking and fascism. In the final segment he questioned the official account of Hitler's suicide. He cited inconsistent bunker testimony, the duplicate dentures, a Connecticut archaeologist's finding that the Soviet-held skull was a woman's, and stories he encountered in Indonesia of Hitler being buried in Surabaya. He said he believes the purported diary was not Hitler's but that of a look-alike wanted war criminal. He connected this to Walter Hewel, Hjalmar Schacht's dealings with Sukarno, and the 1965 overthrow of Sukarno. The hosts announced a second part covering MKUltra and related programs.
Chapters
- 0:00
Teaser and introduction
A preview of the episode is followed by the hosts introducing Peter Levenda and the themes of the Lincoln and Kennedy assassinations, UFOs and government manipulation.
- 4:01
Religion, politics and sinister forces
Levenda explains how his interest in the mixing of religion and politics, along with Watergate, led him to study the Kennedy assassination.
Linked moment · 5:59Skip to 5:59 using a listen link in the info box.
5:59Ruth Paine, Arthur Young and The Nine
Levenda describes finding links in Warren Commission testimony between Oswald's hosts and a 1950s group claiming contact with non-human intelligence.
- 10:30
Lincoln–Kennedy coincidences
Levenda lists parallels between the two assassinations and argues that the pattern goes beyond conventional conspiracy.
- 16:24
Banister, Crisman and 1947 UFO events
Levenda connects Garrison investigation figures Guy Banister and Fred Crisman to early UFO investigations and the Maury Island affair.
- 22:35
Disclosure and angels-versus-demons rhetoric
Levenda argues that government disclosure is a narrative tease and criticizes alien-treaty myths and demonic framing.
- 28:40
Roswell and Nazi prototypes
Levenda discusses Kenneth Arnold's sighting, Horten brothers designs, Operation Paperclip and the idea that Roswell involved a Nazi-derived craft.
- 33:25
Need for other disciplines
Levenda calls for religious scholars, linguists, anthropologists and psychiatrists to study the phenomenon and compares sightings to eyewitness testimony.
- 36:30
Levenda's own UFO sighting
Levenda recounts seeing a silent, hovering triangular craft over his car in South Florida, and Bialik asks whether he might have summoned it.
- 42:45
Why the assassinations?
The three discuss possible motives, control-system theories, collective consciousness, and groups seeking occult power.
- 46:24
Nazi occultism and fascism
Levenda discusses the SS's occult interests, Wewelsburg Castle, Adorno on occultism and fascism, and Julius Evola.
- 49:06
Did Hitler die in the bunker?
Levenda questions the official account of Hitler's suicide, citing the dentures, the skull analysis, conflicting testimony and Indonesian stories.
- 1:01:35
Indonesia, Nazi gold and Sukarno
Levenda discusses the purported Hitler diary, a look-alike war criminal, Hjalmar Schacht and Sukarno's overthrow before the hosts tease part two.
Key points
What was said, by whom, with the exact words. Timestamps jump to the moment.
- Peter Levenda
Levenda argues that the Kennedy assassination deeply affected the American psyche even though people did not realize it.
“And it should have really done a number on the American psyche. And my point is actually it did”
- Peter Levenda
Levenda argues that the coincidences surrounding the assassinations point beyond a human conspiracy to what he calls sinister forces.
“This is not a conspiracy anymore. We've left the conspiracy territory behind. We're in another territory now. And this is what I call the sinister forces”
Listen from 12:13 · Lincoln–Kennedy coincidences urban legend
- Mayim Bialik
Bialik finds a possible alien link to the assassinations of progressive presidents disturbing because people want to believe aliens are benevolent.
“most of us wanna believe, oh, aliens or other realms of consciousness are here to help us be better people and embrace love”
- Peter Levenda
Levenda objects to non-human intelligence being framed as angels and demons without defined terms.
“you get lumped into the angels and demons you know uh category and that's really irritates me because nobody's defining their terms”
- Peter Levenda
Levenda rejects the idea that the U.S. government made an agreement with non-human intelligences.
“that somehow there was some agreement made between our government and the non-human intelligences. This drives me up the wall”
Listen from 23:06 · Unidentified flying objects and government disclosure
- Peter Levenda
Levenda believes the government does not understand the UFO phenomenon much better than the public.
“And I'm sorry, I don't think they know much more than we do”
Listen from 27:06 · Unidentified flying objects and government disclosure
- Peter Levenda
Levenda reports that advisers to Tom DeLonge hinted that the Roswell crash may have involved a Nazi prototype.
“that thing that crashed in Roswell might have been a Nazi prototype that crashed, right?”
- Peter Levenda
Levenda argues that UFO study needs input from religious scholars, linguists and other non-technical disciplines.
“we need input from people we're not talking to. We need input from the religious studies crowd, right? We need input from the linguists”
Listen from 34:03 · Unidentified flying objects and government disclosure
- Peter Levenda
Levenda recounts seeing a silent object hovering directly over his car in South Florida.
“It's making no sound at all, and it's right over the car. It's just sitting there”
Listen from 36:30 · Unidentified flying objects and government disclosure
- Mayim Bialik
Bialik argues that society can no longer dismiss people reporting anomalous experiences as crazy.
“I think that we're kind of reaching a tipping point where we can't keep pretending like all of these people are just crazy”
Listen from 41:41 · Unidentified flying objects and government disclosure
- Jonathan Cohen
Cohen suggests that such forces may reflect the collective consciousness and resistance to change rather than act independently.
“the force may not be independently operating in and of itself, but a reflection of the larger consciousness, attitude, belief system, desires, and wishes of the collective”
- Peter Levenda
Levenda states that there was an occult connection in Nazi Germany, mainly within the SS.
“was there an occult Nazi connection? And there was with the SS for the most part”
- Peter Levenda
Levenda notes that the evidence for Hitler's suicide in the bunker comes essentially from the Soviets.
“basically the only information we have about Hitler's suicide in the bunker comes from the Soviets, because they were the ones who were the first ones to get to Berlin”
- Peter Levenda
Levenda relays that a Connecticut state archaeologist examined the skull held in Moscow and concluded it was a woman's, not Hitler's.
“He says, that's not Hitler. Obviously, it's not even a man. It's a woman's skull”
- Peter Levenda
Levenda says he saw the purported Hitler diary in person and believes it was not Hitler's.
“I did manage to find and actually see physically the diary that was believed to have been the diary of Hitler. I would have to say I'm pretty sure it's not”
- Peter Levenda
Levenda argues that Indonesia would have been a more plausible hiding place for Hitler than South America.
“But if Hitler had gone to Indonesia, no one would have known”
- Peter Levenda
Levenda asserts that Sukarno's overthrow was orchestrated partly by the CIA and by West German diplomatic staff who were largely former Nazis.
“the overthrow of Sukarno, orchestrated at least in part by CIA, but also by the West German embassy and consular staff in Indonesia”
People
In the conversation
- Mayim BialikActress, neuroscientist and host of Mayim Bialik's Breakdown
- Jonathan CohenExecutive producer and co-host of Mayim Bialik's Breakdown, writer and energy worker
- Peter LevendaAmerican author of the Sinister Forces trilogy and co-author of the Sekret Machines nonfiction trilogy
Discussed
- John F. KennedyU.S. politician who campaigned at and stayed in the Blennerhassett Hotel in 1960
- Abraham LincolnU.S. president cited for suspending habeas corpus during the Civil War
- Lee Harvey OswaldAccused assassin of John F. Kennedy
- Ruth PaineDallas woman who housed Marina Oswald and helped Lee Harvey Oswald get his job at the Texas School Book Depository
- Arthur M. YoungBell helicopter inventor who later turned to paranormal research
- Andrija PuharichParapsychology researcher who led the group known as The Nine
- Allen DullesFormer CIA director and Warren Commission member
- Guy BanisterFormer FBI agent and New Orleans private investigator linked to Oswald
- Fred CrismanFigure in the 1947 Maury Island UFO affair, questioned in the Garrison investigation
- Kenneth ArnoldPilot whose 1947 sighting popularized the term flying saucer
- Jim GarrisonNew Orleans district attorney who investigated the Kennedy assassination
- Jacques ValléeComputer scientist and UFO researcher who favors interdimensional explanations
- Tom DeLongeMusician and co-founder of To The Stars Academy of Arts and Science
- Chris BledsoeAmerican UFO experiencer and podcast host who photographed an orb
- Adolf HitlerLeader of Nazi Germany, whose near-death in a car accident opens Diamond's book
- Eva BraunHitler's companion and wife
- Walter HewelNazi diplomat and Hitler confidant who had lived in Indonesia
- Hanna ReitschGerman pilot who flew into Berlin shortly before its fall
- Hjalmar SchachtHitler's finance minister who later advised Sukarno
- SukarnoFirst President of Indonesia, overthrown in 1965–67
- Julius EvolaItalian far-right esoteric philosopher
- J. Edgar HooverFBI director
- Yuri AndropovKGB head who ordered the destruction of the remains attributed to Hitler
Topics
- Assassination of John F. Kennedy
- Unidentified flying objects and government disclosure
- Death of Adolf Hitler
- Lincoln–Kennedy coincidences urban legend
- Warren Commission
- Roswell incident
- Nazi occultism
- Conspiracy theories in the United States
- Maury Island incident
- Majestic 12
- Operation Paperclip
- Spiritual warfare
- Overthrow of Sukarno
- Project MKUltra
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From the publisher
What if the UFO phenomenon isn’t simply being investigated by governments, but is being used to investigate us? And what if the forces behind it are connected to consciousness, intelligence agencies, occultism, and nonhuman intelligence? In this episode of Mayim Bialik’s Breakdown, Peter Levenda, author of the Sinister Forces trilogy and co-author with Blink-182’s Tom DeLonge of the nonfiction Sekret Machines trilogy ( Gods, Man, and War ), goes deep down the rabbit hole of UFOs, UAP, nonhuman intelligence (NHI), government secrecy, consciousness, occultism, intelligence operations, and the mysterious “Men in Black.” We begin with the JFK assassination and explore its possible connections to UFOs, NHI, consciousness, and sinister forces operating behind the scenes. Levenda examines why he believes Kennedy’s assassination may have affected the American psyche more deeply than we realize, as well as the intriguing parallels between the Lincoln and Kennedy assassinations. Could the U.S. government have been influenced by negative nonhuman intelligence? Was there ever a secret deal between the government and aliens? And is the growing push for UFO/UAP/NHI disclosure revealing the truth, or concealing something more sinister? Levenda discusses why he finds it frustrating that NHI is often reduced to traditional “angels and demons” narratives, and why understanding the phenomenon may require perspectives from religious scholars, linguists, anthropologists, psychiatrists, and other experts, not just the technological and military worlds. We examine the infamous Roswell UAP crash and its possible connection to Nazi technology, the relationship between occultism, religion, mythology, and power, and the disturbing ties between occult ideas and Nazi Germany. We also explore Levenda’s encounters with the “Men in Black,” including why he believes certain entities may not want him to have the information he possesses. He shares his own riveting UAP sighting and considers the str…
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