NBA Finals With Kirk Goldsberry, FSU Head Coach Luke Loucks, Myles Garrett To The Rams + Memes Vs Zac
Episode of Pardon My Take · June 3, 2026 · 2 h 56 min
The Pardon My Take crew covers the Zach–Memes feud, the Myles Garrett and A.J. Brown trades, and NBA Finals picks, with guests Kirk Goldsberry and FSU coach Luke Loucks.
Summary
The episode opened with a replay of a lottery-ball segment in which producer Zach picked the number 11, which fellow Knicks fan Memes had been choosing throughout the playoffs as an omen, sparking a day-long feud. The hosts then discussed the Cleveland Browns trading Myles Garrett to the Los Angeles Rams for Jared Verse and picks, which Dan Katz and PFT Commenter judged a win-win, and A.J. Brown's move to the New England Patriots, which Hank Lockwood celebrated and Max Delente predicted would eventually sour. The crew made NBA Finals picks, and Katz blamed Bears president Kevin Warren first for the team's stalled stadium plans.
A Hot Seat/Cool Throne segment touched on World Cup scheduling and a Fox Sports lighthouse claim, Texas Tech softball, Russell Wilson joining CBS, the late College Football Playoff championship date, and the planned UFC card at the White House, which PFT Commenter called a bad idea because of Washington summer heat.
Kirk Goldsberry described Victor Wembanyama's defensive impact, noting opponents' offensive rating of 99.2 with him on court, argued that three-point shooting is the best way to attack him, and highlighted Karl-Anthony Towns and Josh Hart as key Knicks factors. He picked the Spurs in seven, while Katz picked the Knicks in seven.
Florida State coach Luke Loucks visited in studio to unveil FSU's 2020 COVID-season banner, now given to Barstool. He recounted leaving a European playing career for a Golden State Warriors internship, Stephen Curry's workouts, adjusting his NBA-style coaching to college players after a 44-point loss to NC State, his recruiting pitch, his divided loyalties in the Finals, and training De'Aaron Fox during Fox's honeymoon in Venice. The show closed with listener relationship questions and a new lottery draw won by Max.
Chapters
- 3:05
Zach vs. Memes lottery ball feud
The hosts replay an earlier lottery segment in which Zach took Memes' lucky number 11, then try to mediate the resulting feud.
- 19:52
Myles Garrett traded to the Rams
Katz and PFT Commenter break down the Garrett-for-Jared Verse trade and call it a win for both the Rams and Browns.
- 33:04
A.J. Brown joins the Patriots
Hank celebrates Brown's arrival in New England while Max predicts it will eventually go wrong and cites knee concerns.
- 44:02
Parlay and NBA Finals predictions
The crew builds a DraftKings parlay and each member picks a Finals winner.
- 51:55
Chicago Bears stadium saga
Katz ranks the parties to blame for the Bears' stalled stadium plans, putting Kevin Warren first.
- 56:41
Hot Seat / Cool Throne
Topics include World Cup scheduling, Texas Tech softball, Russell Wilson at CBS, the College Football Playoff calendar and the UFC White House card.
- 1:20:01
Kirk Goldsberry on the NBA Finals
Goldsberry analyzes Wembanyama's defense, the Knicks' shooting, key X-factors and the draft, and picks the Spurs in seven.
- 1:50:58
Luke Loucks and the FSU banner
The FSU coach unveils the 2020 banner and discusses the team it honored.
- 1:58:54
Loucks' coaching rise with Golden State
Loucks describes his path from overseas player to Warriors intern and what he learned from Curry, Durant, Kerr and Mike Brown.
- 2:10:39
Coaching college, recruiting and the Finals
Loucks explains his first-season adjustments, recruiting pitch, Finals loyalties and how to attack Wembanyama.
- 2:35:46
De'Aaron Fox honeymoon story
Loucks recounts training De'Aaron Fox daily during Fox's honeymoon in Italy while his wife was pregnant.
- 2:42:20
Guys on Chicks and new lottery draw
The hosts answer listener relationship questions and hold a new lottery draw that Max wins.
Key points
What was said, by whom, with the exact words. Timestamps jump to the moment.
- PFT Commenter
PFT Commenter calls the Garrett trade a rare win-win because Jared Verse is an excellent player.
“I think that it's like a rare win-win trade because Jerd versus an awesome player”
Listen from 20:27 · Myles Garrett trade to the Los Angeles Rams
- Dan Katz
Katz argues the Garrett trade is smart for the Rams because the organization has shown it can contend without draft capital.
“this is a smart move by the Rams because they've basically, as an organization, realized that they can figure out a way to still compete without having draft capital”
Listen from 22:12 · Myles Garrett trade to the Los Angeles Rams
- Dan Katz
Katz suggests Myles Garrett may be the best player ever traded in the NFL at his peak.
“I would say he's probably the best player who's ever been traded”
Listen from 25:31 · Myles Garrett trade to the Los Angeles Rams
- Hank Lockwood
Lockwood argues Brown will commit fully to New England because he is a lifelong Patriots fan.
“He seems to be. the biggest Patriots fan on this planet, and he's been dying to come to New England”
Listen from 34:51 · A.J. Brown trade to the New England Patriots
- Max Delente
Delente predicts Brown's time in New England will eventually sour, as his previous stints did.
“it probably will turn to shit at some point because that's just what A.J. Brown does”
Listen from 38:02 · A.J. Brown trade to the New England Patriots
- PFT Commenter
PFT Commenter jokes that the Finals will go seven games because Adam Silver is ensuring marquee outcomes, as David Stern allegedly did.
“I think that Adam Silver is entering his David Stern era where he's making sure that these things happen”
- Dan Katz
Katz blames Bears president Kevin Warren first for the stadium debacle because delivering the stadium was his job.
“how could you ever point your finger at anyone other than Kevin Warren first? Because it was literally his job to do this”
- PFT Commenter
PFT Commenter plans to bet on a draw in every World Cup group-stage game.
“I'm going to bet a draw for every single game”
- PFT Commenter
PFT Commenter argues holding the UFC card outdoors at the White House in late June is a bad idea because of heat, humidity and bugs.
“I think it's a bad idea. I think Joe Rogan has said, like, this is a bad idea”
- Kirk Goldsberry
Goldsberry states that opponents have posted an offensive rating of 99.2 when Wembanyama is on the court in the playoffs, which would rank as the league's worst offense.
“in these playoffs, when he's on the court, the opponents have an offensive rating of 99.2”
- Kirk Goldsberry
Goldsberry argues that shooting threes is the best way to attack Wembanyama, which favors the Knicks' five-out offense.
“You know, I think the best thing you can do is shoot threes. I mean, it's that basic”
- Dan KatzCame true
Katz predicts the Knicks will win the Finals, arguing the Spurs have faced offensively limited opponents.
“I think the Knicks are going to win this series”
- Kirk Goldsberry
Goldsberry says Karl-Anthony Towns avoiding foul trouble is the key X-factor for the Knicks.
“If cat has the series of his life and is not getting in foul trouble, that's going to be really, really important”
- Kirk Goldsberry
Goldsberry says a Knicks title would elevate Jalen Brunson to Derek Jeter-like folklore status in New York.
“He would be elevated to folklore status immediately because this would be the most important championship in New York in a very, very long time”
- Kirk Goldsberry
Goldsberry says NBA teams' statistical draft models rank Cameron Boozer first.
“When you look at the draft models, PFT, that all the stats dudes are building at these NBA teams, Boozer comes up number one”
Linked moment · 1:48:53Skip to 1:48:53 using a listen link in the info box.
Kirk GoldsberryDidn’t happenGoldsberry predicts the San Antonio Spurs will win the NBA Finals in seven games.
“I am picking the San Antonio Spurs in seven games”
- Luke Loucks
Loucks recounts giving up a six-figure European playing salary for a minimum-wage Warriors internship.
“I was leaving like six figures on the table to take a minimum wage internship in the most expensive city in the world”
- Luke Loucks
Loucks says he saw Stephen Curry make 105 consecutive corner threes in a shooting drill.
“He runs off, and there's a video of it. He runs off 105 straight, doesn't know, 105 straight corner threes”
- Luke Loucks
Loucks says De'Aaron Fox's forearms cramped during his first workout with Stephen Curry because of its intensity.
“his forearms were cramping. I've never seen someone's forearms cramp”
- Luke Loucks
Loucks says a 44-point home loss to NC State was the turning point that led him to abandon three-point-heavy play for rim attacks and better transition defense.
“We lost at home by 44 to NC State. And I felt like it was a layup line for him”
Listen from 2:14:04 · Florida State Seminoles men's basketball
- Luke Loucks
Loucks says his recruiting pitch is that FSU's NBA-experienced staff will train players like professionals before they reach the league.
“we're going to train you like an NBA player before you get there”
Listen from 2:20:24 · Florida State Seminoles men's basketball
- Luke Loucks
Loucks says it is unheard of for the Knicks to lead the playoffs in both offense and defense.
“But then to also be the best defense, that's unheard of”
- Luke Loucks
Loucks recounts training De'Aaron Fox for two hours every morning during Fox's honeymoon in Venice.
“And for two hours a day, every morning, we would boat to the same gym. I'd work them out for two hours and then we would leave”
People
In the conversation
- Dan KatzBarstool Sports personality known as Big Cat, co-host of Pardon My Take
- PFT CommenterBarstool Sports writer and co-host of Pardon My Take
- Hank LockwoodPardon My Take contributor and Boston Celtics fan
- Max DelentePardon My Take producer and Philadelphia 76ers fan whose bachelor party is referenced
- MemesPardon My Take staffer and New York Knicks fan
- ZachNewest Pardon My Take staff member, Knicks fan
- Kirk GoldsberryBasketball analytics writer and visual analyst, contributor to The Ringer
- Luke LoucksHead men's basketball coach at Florida State University and former NBA assistant coach
Discussed
- Victor WembanyamaSan Antonio Spurs center and MVP candidate
- Jalen BrunsonNew York Knicks guard
- Myles GarrettNFL defensive end traded from the Browns to the Rams
- A.J. BrownNFL wide receiver traded from the Eagles to the Patriots
- Jared VerseNFL edge rusher sent from the Rams to the Browns
- Karl-Anthony TownsNew York Knicks big man
- Josh HartNew York Knicks guard-forward
- De'Aaron FoxSan Antonio Spurs guard
- Mike BrownNew York Knicks head coach
- Stephen CurryGolden State Warriors guard
- Kevin WarrenChicago Bears president
- Stephon CastleSan Antonio Spurs guard
- Dylan HarperSan Antonio Spurs rookie guard
- OG AnunobyNew York Knicks forward
- Mitchell RobinsonNew York Knicks center
- Russell WilsonNFL quarterback joining CBS as an analyst
- Leonard HamiltonFormer Florida State basketball coach
- Marsis PonderIncoming Florida State center nicknamed Baby Shaq
Topics
- 2026 NBA playoffs
- San Antonio Spurs
- New York Knicks
- Myles Garrett trade to the Los Angeles Rams
- A.J. Brown trade to the New England Patriots
- Florida State Seminoles men's basketball
- Golden State Warriors
- Chicago Bears stadium proposal
- 2026 FIFA World Cup
- College Football Playoff
- Ultimate Fighting Championship
- 2026 NBA draft
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From the publisher
We start the show with a first as we were forced to play the numbers we had recorded earlier to give some background to the red hot Zac vs Memes fight that went on all day (00:00:00-00:17:46). Myles Garrett traded to the Rams and AJ Brown is a Patriot. NBA Finals picks (00:17:46-00:55:27). Hot Seat/Cool Throne including Russ Wilson is now in media and World Cup a week away (00:55:27-01:18:07). Kirk Goldsberry joins the show to talk NBA Finals, how to stop Wemby, what makes him so different, how the Knicks can win and more (01:18:07-01:47:59). FSU Head Basketball Coach Luke Loucks joins us in studio to unveil the FSU banner, talk his incredible rise in coaching, his close relationship with Mike Brown and going to De'Aaron Fox’s honeymoon (01:47:59-02:38:54). We finish with guys on chicks You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or Netflix. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/pardon-my-take
Summary, chapters and key points were generated from the episode transcript on September 28, 2026. Quotes are checked word for word against the transcript.