407: Mackenzie & Her Dad’s Creepy Texts, Plus Her Weird Jail Calls with Mom | Mackenzie Shirilla

Episode of Serialously with Annie Elise · June 5, 2026 · 2 h 21 min

Annie Elise plays Mackenzie Shirilla's jail calls with her parents and weighs in on viral speculation about text messages between Mackenzie and her father.

Summary

In what she described as her final episode on the Mackenzie Shirilla case, Annie Elise presented roughly fifteen recorded jail calls, drawn from digital evidence her team obtained, between Shirilla and her mother, Natalie, with brief appearances by her father, Steve. Elise framed the calls as evidence that the parents enabled their daughter and prioritized social media perception over accountability.

In the calls, Natalie read aloud an anonymous Facebook post defending Mackenzie and attacking the victims' families, and both praised it. Mackenzie drafted a court statement apologizing to the families of Dom and Davion while insisting the crash was an accident. Natalie advised her not to criticize the judge and not to discuss the case with strangers who messaged her. Mackenzie speculated that the crash resulted from Dom's past behavior in the car and said she did not remember the crash. Steve Shirilla called the Strongsville detective an idiot and accused prosecutors of wrongdoing. Later calls, after sentencing, covered her move to a new jail pod, messages from supporters, and divided public opinion.

Elise closed by addressing viral claims that late-night texts in which Mackenzie asked her father for "warm milk" were code for an incestuous relationship. Elise said she did not believe this, suggested it could possibly have been code for marijuana, and argued that people were grasping at straws out of justified anger. She maintained that the family dynamic nonetheless showed a serious lack of parenting.

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  1. 0:02

    Final Mackenzie episode introduction

    Annie Elise announces her last Mackenzie Shirilla episode and previews jail calls with her mother and the viral texts with her father.

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    8:21

    The anonymous Facebook defender

    Natalie reads Mackenzie a long anonymous post defending her and attacking the victims' families, which both praise.

  3. 22:29

    Drafting a statement to the families

    Mackenzie dictates an apology and a thank-you to supporters while Natalie discusses responding to media outlets.

  4. 33:21

    Dad's call and the support group chat

    Steve Shirilla voices anger at those against his daughter, and Mackenzie and Natalie discuss friends' loyalty and her court statement.

  5. 47:06

    Crash memories and jail life

    Mackenzie says she doesn't remember the crash and suggests Dom caused it, then discusses jail conditions and commissary.

  6. 1:01:44

    Awaiting the verdict

    Mackenzie asks what happens if she is found guilty, and they complain about the Russo family and media coverage.

  7. 1:16:22

    Strangers reach out

    Strangers message Mackenzie in jail, Natalie warns they could be reporters, and Mackenzie plans her sentencing outfit.

  8. 1:29:48

    Steve on prosecutors and judges

    Steve Shirilla calls the detective an idiot and says prosecutors and a judge should be disbarred.

  9. 1:44:16

    Messaging friends and carny talk

    Mackenzie sets up messaging with friends and mentions courtroom discussion of her supposed seizure remarks.

  10. 1:58:40

    After sentencing

    Mackenzie celebrates a pod move, reads a supporter's message, and hears from Natalie that public opinion is divided.

  11. 2:12:40

    Annie on the warm milk texts

    Elise criticizes the parenting dynamic and explains why she doubts the incest theory about the warm milk texts.

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The final episode in the Mackenzie Saga. Nearly four years after the crash that killed her boyfriend and his friend, Mackenzie Shirilla continues to insist that she is innocent. And in hours of jail phone calls with her mother, she makes it clear that her stance hasn't changed. As Mackenzie discusses her conviction, life behind bars, and her hopes for an appeal, many listeners have been struck by what they see as a startling lack of accountability. At the same time, a series of text messages between Mackenzie and her father have sparked intense debate online. Dive into the calls, the texts, and the family dynamics that are raising new questions about Mackenzie’s life post conviction. . If you’re new here, don’t forget to follow the show for weekly deep dives into the darkest true crime cases! To watch the video version of this episode, head over to youtube.com/@annieelise . . 🔎 Join Our True Crime Club & Get Exclusive Content & Perks. . 🎧 Need More to Binge? Listen to both of my weekly true crime series 10 to Life & Serialously with Annie Elise wherever you get your podcasts on the Annie Elise Channel! 🍎 Apple Podcasts | Where you can also unlock access to 100+ and growing extra exclusive deep dives. 💚 Spotify 🔴 YouTube 🎙️ All Other Platforms . 📸 Follow Annie on Socials Instagram: @_annieelise TikTok: @_annieelise Substack: @annieelise Facebook: @10toLife . 👗 Shop Annie’s Must-Haves! ShopMY: bit.ly/AnnieElise_ShopMy Amazon: bit.ly/AnnieElise_Amazon . 🫵🏻 Get Involved or Recommend a Case About Annie: www.annieelise.com For Business Inquiries: 10toLife@WMEAgency.com . 📚 Episode Sources Strongsville Police Department •••••••••••••••••• 🚨Disclaimers 1️⃣ Some links may be affiliate links, they do not cost you anything, but I make a small percentage from the sale. Thank you so much for watching and supporting me. 2️⃣ Sources used to collect this information include various public news sites, interviews, court documents, FB groups dedicated to the case, and var…

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