#1555 - Alex Jones & Tim Dillon

Episode of The Joe Rogan Experience · October 27, 2020 · 3 h 15 min

Joe Rogan hosts Alex Jones and Tim Dillon to debate censorship, climate change, Epstein, Bohemian Grove, COVID-19 lockdowns, the 2020 election and UFOs.

Summary

Recorded a week before the 2020 U.S. presidential election in Rogan's new Austin studio, the episode brought InfoWars host Alex Jones back for his third appearance alongside comedian Tim Dillon. Rogan, observing Sober October, frequently cast himself as fact-checker, asking producer Jamie Vernon to verify Jones's claims in real time; some checked out (AT&T's payments to Michael Cohen), others did not (a Gretchen Whitmer quote, wording in a Rockefeller Foundation report, the founding date of the Club of Rome).

The conversation opened with Ghislaine Maxwell and Jeffrey Epstein, the Borat sequel's Rudy Giuliani scene, and Twitter's suppression of the New York Post Hunter Biden laptop story. Rogan argued that the answer to bad speech is better speech and that large tech platforms should be regulated like utilities. Jones then argued that carbon dioxide is beneficial and that man-made climate change is a pretext for global control, while Rogan pushed back with climate data; Jones also opposed nuclear power over leak concerns.

Jones and Dillon discussed Bohemian Grove, including Jones's 2000 infiltration and a clip of Jones confronting David Gergen, as well as Skull and Bones, the Franklin scandal and William Colby's death. Later segments covered COVID-19 lockdowns, hospital payment incentives, vitamins, Bill Gates, Operation Lockstep, transhumanism and Neuralink, and mail-in voting. Jones predicted a big Trump win followed by a Democratic contest of the result.

Rogan discussed UFOs, David Fravor's Tic Tac encounter, Bob Lazar and Element 115, and speculated that sightings might involve interdimensional or time travelers. Near the end Jones said he was exhausted, grinding his teeth and wished to retire within a year; Rogan urged him to take time off, hire a trainer and get healthy.

Chapters

0:14
Opening, Maxwell and the Borat scene
Jones and Dillon arrive; talk turns to Ghislaine Maxwell's family and the Borat sequel's Giuliani scene.
7:21
Censorship and the Hunter Biden laptop
Rogan argues against deplatforming as the group discusses Twitter blocking the New York Post laptop story.
12:51
Lobbying, Kushner and China
Jones claims Trump's associates became unofficial lobbyists; AT&T's payments to Michael Cohen are verified and China is discussed.
24:55
Carbon dioxide and climate change debate
Jones argues CO2 is beneficial and climate policy is a power grab while Rogan challenges him with data.
47:36
Nuclear power, Deepwater Horizon and transhumanism
Jones opposes nuclear power, discusses BP, and warns of a post-human agenda while Rogan defends technological progress.
55:50
Bohemian Grove and Skull and Bones
A clip of Jones confronting David Gergen leads into discussion of Bohemian Grove rituals and secret societies.
1:20:23
Epstein, Franklin scandal and QAnon
The guests discuss elite blackmail, William Colby's death, QAnon, and Epstein's connections to billionaires.
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1:35:06
Censorship, the Young Turks and election predictions
Discussion of platform bans, echo chambers, and Jones's prediction of a Trump win and contested election.
1:46:37
COVID-19 lockdowns and Whitmer quote
Jones claims lockdowns are political; Jamie finds a Whitmer quote that Rogan says is criticism of Trump.
2:11:40
Operation Lockstep and global governance
The group reads the Rockefeller Foundation document in search of Jones's claimed police-state language.
2:30:18
Mail-in voting, Buzz Aldrin and UFOs
Talk shifts from ballot concerns to Aldrin's alleged pyramid claims, the Tic Tac UFO, Bob Lazar and interdimensional theories.
2:53:23
Vaccines and polio outbreak
Jones's claims about mRNA vaccines are checked and an AP article on vaccine-derived polio in Sudan is read.
2:59:51
Jones's burnout and closing
Jones says he wants to retire, Rogan urges him to get healthy, and Rogan warns about national division before closing.

Key points

What was said, by whom, with the exact words. Timestamps jump to the moment.

Joe Rogan
Rogan argues that censorship escalated from banning Jones to banning the White House press secretary over a New York Post story.
“getting the White House press secretary banned off Twitter because she posts something from the New York Post, which is crazy”
Listen from 7:21 · Hunter Biden laptop controversy
Joe Rogan
Rogan argues that the best way to counter wrong speech or inaccurate conspiracy theories is better, correct speech rather than censorship.
“My take on it has always been the best way to counter wrong speech is correct speech”
Listen from 7:47 · Censorship by social media platforms
Alex Jones
Jones claims the push to link climate change to human activity aims at a centralized world government controlling carbon.
“The goal is a centralized world government that can then monitor all carbon and control it as a toxic bad thing”
Listen from 33:54 · Climate change
Alex Jones
Jones argues the sun, not carbon dioxide, is the main driver of the climate.
“So the main driver of climate is the sun”
Listen from 40:16 · Climate change
Joe Rogan
Rogan pushes back that older climate predictions were based on less data than is available today.
“don't you understand that science back then didn't have as much data as they have now?”
Listen from 44:01 · Climate change
Alex Jones
Jones says he used to support nuclear power but now hates it, claiming most plants are leaking.
“I used to be for nuclear power. Oh, what happened? I actually did research”
Listen from 47:48 · Nuclear power
Joe Rogan
Rogan argues that major social media platforms are so large they should be regulated like utilities.
“I think the argument can be made that they are utilities and that they should be regulated like utilities”
Listen from 1:01:49 · Censorship by social media platforms
Alex Jones
Jones recounts sneaking into Bohemian Grove and describes the Cremation of Care ritual involving a child effigy.
“This hearse comes in with the body of a child. It is an effigy. They're not killing it”
Listen from 1:09:59 · Bohemian Grove
Tim Dillon
Dillon argues that elite gatherings create mutual compromise among members, similar to Epstein's island.
“they have something on each other, similar to Epstein's Island”
Listen from 1:11:06 · Bohemian Grove
Tim Dillon
Dillon argues newcomers learning about Epstein can become paranoid and see a cartoon version, urging people to step back.
“There are good people, and not everybody is evil, but there is a lot of evil out there”
Listen from 1:23:44 · Jeffrey Epstein
Alex Jones Didn’t happen
Jones predicts Donald Trump will win the 2020 election, which Democrats will then contest.
“Donald Trump is going to win. You think so? But then the Democrats are going to contest it”
Listen from 1:40:59 · 2020 United States presidential election
Joe Rogan
Rogan explains he left California over looting and police standing down, which undermined his faith in law and order.
“When the looting hit, I had zero faith in their ability to maintain law and order”
Listen from 1:46:39 · COVID-19 lockdowns
Alex Jones
Jones claims hospitals receive extra money for coding patients as COVID-19 cases.
“They get $13,000 to say it's a COVID patient, and they get $29,000 or whatever extra when they intubate somebody”
Listen from 1:53:02 · COVID-19 lockdowns
Joe Rogan
Rogan interprets Whitmer's quote as criticism of Trump's virus response rather than a pledge to keep lockdowns.
“What she's saying is that Trump has done such a shitty job. That's the reason why we're locked down”
Listen from 2:07:13 · COVID-19 lockdowns
Joe Rogan
Rogan notes voter fraud has historically been minimal but says widespread mail-in voting is new.
“the ability to vote by mail in advance never really existed like it exists now”
Listen from 2:30:23 · 2020 United States presidential election
Joe Rogan
Rogan speculates that UFO sightings might involve time travelers, describing humans as technologically adolescent apes.
“we might be looking at something from the future we might be looking at time travelers”
Listen from 2:39:21 · Unidentified flying objects and government disclosure
Alex Jones
Jones warns that humans still program technology, so it could amplify human problems rather than solve them.
“it's still humans that program the nexus points of it so it could actually amplify the problems”
Listen from 2:43:03 · Transhumanism
Alex Jones
Jones says he wants to retire within a year because the pace of his work is destroying his health.
“I just want to tell the truth, and I want to get out in the next year”
Listen from 3:01:00
Joe Rogan
Rogan says the country feels more divided than ever and a civil war no longer seems implausible.
“where the possibility of a civil war doesn't seem outside the realm of possibilities”
Listen from 3:07:44 · 2020 United States presidential election

People

In the conversation

Joe RoganAmerican comedian and host of The Joe Rogan Experience
Alex JonesAmerican radio host and founder of InfoWars
Tim DillonAmerican comedian and podcaster who appears in Busboys

Discussed

Ghislaine MaxwellDaughter of Robert Maxwell and associate of Jeffrey Epstein
Robert MaxwellBritish publishing magnate alleged to have worked for multiple intelligence services
Sacha Baron CohenBritish comedian whose darker humour Druski contrasts with his own
Rudy GiulianiFormer New York mayor and Trump's personal lawyer
Hunter BidenSon of Joe Biden, subject of the laptop story
Michael CohenDonald Trump's former personal lawyer
Jared KushnerBusinessman and Trump's son-in-law, adviser in the first Trump administration
Ted GundersonFormer FBI official whom Jones cites as a source
William ColbyFormer CIA director who drowned in 1996
John DeCampNebraska state senator who investigated the Franklin scandal
Bill GatesCo-founder of Microsoft
Gretchen WhitmerGovernor of Michigan
Gavin NewsomGovernor of California, cited for his 2018 primary strategy
Buzz AldrinApollo 11 astronaut
David FravorRetired U.S. Navy commander associated with the Tic Tac UFO encounter
Bob LazarAmerican scientist and businessman who claims to have worked on recovered extraterrestrial craft at a site called S4 near Area 51
Bret WeinsteinEvolutionary biologist behind Unity 2020
Richard NixonU.S. president who ended the dollar's convertibility to gold in 1971
Jacques ValléeComputer scientist and UFO researcher who favors interdimensional explanations

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