#2496 - Julia Mossbridge

Episode of The Joe Rogan Experience · May 8, 2026 · 2 h 49 min

Cognitive neuroscientist Julia Mossbridge tells Joe Rogan about her research on precognition, telepathy among non-speaking autistic people, retrocausal photon experiments, and alleged childhood experimentation in gifted programs.

Summary

Joe Rogan hosted cognitive neuroscientist Julia Mossbridge, who described leaving mainstream academia after being advised to remove psychic research from her résumé. The two discussed ego, gatekeeping, and cult-like conformity in academia and politics, with Rogan crediting martial arts such as jiu-jitsu for humbling practitioners and Mossbridge arguing that insecurity must be worked through rather than suppressed.

Mossbridge recounted a precognitive childhood dream, ball lightning in her family's farmhouse, and her later presentiment studies showing skin-conductance and heart-rate changes before random events, including a gender difference, and a meta-analysis of 26 studies. She cited Morris Freedman's research suggesting that suppressing left orbitofrontal activity enhances psychic effects, and described telepathy trials with non-speaking autistic participants connected to The Telepathy Tapes, including a video in which one participant appeared to relay another's idea of slamming a beach ball.

Mossbridge proposed an informational substrate underlying physical reality, argued that current quantum computing approaches wrongly force particles into classical behavior, and described double-slit experiments she said showed photon patterns anticipating how long a light would remain on, replicated at UC Berkeley. Rogan raised the hypothesis that gray aliens are future humans and his view of ideas as a life form.

Discussing her book "Have a Nice Disclosure!", Mossbridge described memory blackouts from a 1980s SOAR gifted program and a day at Lockheed Martin, speculated about radiation-related research on children, and called experimentation without parental consent unethical. She closed by presenting Applied Love Labs' audio "time machine" journaling app, and both agreed to a future episode on remote viewing.

Chapters

0:01
Introduction and Mossbridge's background
Mossbridge describes her training in cognitive neuroscience and her turn toward studying precognition and exceptional human performance.
4:00
Academia, culture, and fear of foolishness
The two discuss suppression of psychic research, internet-driven cultural change, and cult-like behavior on the political left and right and in academia.
17:08
Ego, listening, and getting out of your head
They debate insecurity, listening, martial arts as humility training, childbirth and death as resets, and flow in difficult activities.
42:14
Origins of her precognition research
Mossbridge recounts a childhood precognitive dream, ball lightning at home, her physicist father's skepticism, and her dream journaling.
49:03
Presentiment experiments
Mossbridge describes her postdoc studies of physiological anticipation of random events, a gender difference, and a 26-study meta-analysis.
53:53
Language, the brain, and psychic ability
Rogan asks whether psychic ability atrophied with language, and Mossbridge cites Morris Freedman's stroke and TMS studies on intention and random number generators.
1:05:56
Telepathy with non-speaking autistic participants
Mossbridge describes trials with spellers, a 'telepathy train' video, dream-sharing, and reports of communication with the dead.
1:38:43
Souls, the informational substrate, and quantum physics
Mossbridge proposes an informational substrate, criticizes current quantum computing, and describes her retrocausal double-slit experiments.
2:07:23
Disclosure, aliens, and where ideas come from
They discuss her book, the future-humans hypothesis for grays, UFO materials, and ideas as a life form or muse.
2:20:53
Gifted programs and memory lapses
Mossbridge describes blackouts in the SOAR program and at Lockheed Martin, a FOIA episode, and speculation about radiation research on children.
2:39:16
Applied Love Labs and closing
Mossbridge presents her nonprofit's audio time-machine journaling app, and the two plan a future episode on remote viewing.

Key points

What was said, by whom, with the exact words. Timestamps jump to the moment.

Julia Mossbridge
Mossbridge claims some of her peer-reviewed parapsychology papers are not indexed in Google Scholar, which she regards as active suppression.
“there's some papers that I've published that just won't get listed in Google Scholar, even though they're in peer-reviewed journals”
Listen from 2:46 · Precognition
Joe Rogan
Rogan argues that ego in higher learning acts as a barrier to gathering new information.
“we have a problem of ego and ego becoming a wall to gathering more information”
Listen from 5:49
Julia Mossbridge
Mossbridge recounts being told her psychic research was the only obstacle to a strong academic résumé, which drove her away from academia.
“if I took the stuff about psychic stuff off my resume, I would have a perfectly good resume for academia”
Listen from 10:38 · Precognition
Julia Mossbridge
Mossbridge says the left irritates her with a desire to prove it is smart, while the right irritates her with a desire to be right.
“the thing that really pisses me off about the left is this wanting to be smart and proving that you're smart”
Listen from 13:32
Joe Rogan
Rogan argues martial artists are less insecure because training such as jiu-jitsu requires repeated humiliation.
“If you're training jujitsu, if you go from white belt to black belt, you have to get humiliated thousands of times”
Listen from 24:05
Julia Mossbridge
Mossbridge reports that in her presentiment study men's skin conductance spiked before correct guesses on a random task, unlike women's.
“before men got their first trial correct, and this is just a guessing game, so, you know, it's randomly selected, their skin conductance would go crazy”
Listen from 49:12 · Presentiment
Julia Mossbridge
Mossbridge says she and collaborators meta-analyzed 26 studies spanning about 40 years on physiological anticipation of random events.
“pulled together 26 studies over the past – or the prior, I guess, 40 years that looked at this kind of physiological change”
Listen from 50:28 · Presentiment
Joe Rogan
Rogan says studies show heavy use of large language models is making people, especially children, less capable of solving problems.
“now they're demonstrating that through use of large language models, a lot of people are actually getting dumber”
Listen from 54:39
Julia Mossbridge
Mossbridge relays Morris Freedman's explanation that psychic ability is dominated by the right hemisphere and is released when left frontal inhibition is reduced.
“his explanation is this stuff is going on in the right hemisphere or at least is dominated by that”
Listen from 1:03:53 · Telepathy
Julia Mossbridge
Mossbridge describes a non-speaking participant accurately describing a target video of an artistic sky without being given multiple-choice options.
“he said it's it's art of a beautiful sky and that was a really great description”
Listen from 1:09:41 · The Telepathy Tapes
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Julia Mossbridge
Mossbridge proposes that an informational substrate underlies space, time, matter, and energy, and that a soul may be what reads from and writes to it.
“underneath all of what we call physical reality, so space, time, matter, energy, is this informational substrate”
Listen from 1:39:22 · Consciousness
Julia Mossbridge
Mossbridge argues that leaves perform quantum computation in photosynthesis at room temperature, showing current supercooled approaches are misguided.
“a leaf is using essentially quantum computing to do photosynthesis in a way that we can't replicate right now”
Listen from 1:46:59 · Quantum computing
Julia Mossbridge
Mossbridge says a UC Berkeley physics lab instructor independently replicated her retrocausal double-slit experiment over a year and got the same result.
“a friend at UC Berkeley who teaches the advanced physics lab there said, I want to set up my own equipment, do the exact same experiment”
Listen from 1:53:45 · Double-slit experiment
Julia Mossbridge
Mossbridge contends that current quantum computing forces particles to behave like classical computers rather than exploiting natural group properties.
“It's like we're trying to imitate classical computers with quantum computers”
Listen from 2:02:46 · Quantum computing
Julia Mossbridge
Mossbridge considers retrocausality a more likely explanation of quantum computing power than the many-worlds interpretation.
“It could also be retrocausality. And some people don't like the retrocausality answer. I think that's actually more likely”
Listen from 2:04:05 · Retrocausality
Julia Mossbridge
Mossbridge explains her book is about inner exploration rather than aliens, despite its alien cover.
“So this book is not about aliens and some people get disappointed”
Listen from 2:07:45 · Have a Nice Disclosure!
Joe Rogan
Rogan suggests gray aliens resemble where human evolution appears headed, raising the possibility they are future humans.
“It seems like that's the direction that the human species is moving in”
Listen from 2:10:34 · Unidentified flying objects and government disclosure
Joe Rogan
Rogan speculates that ideas may be a distinct life form that manifests physically through humans.
“what if ideas are a different type of life form? And it's a life form that manifests itself through us in physical space”
Listen from 2:16:07
Julia Mossbridge
Mossbridge recounts that during weekly pullouts in her seventh-grade SOAR program she remembers walking to a room and then blacking out.
“I remember walking down the hallway and to the room dreading that opening the door”
Listen from 2:25:34 · Gifted and talented education
Julia Mossbridge
Mossbridge says she was recruited for a federal job four days after filing a FOIA request about the program, then asked whether to continue the request.
“I was recruited four days after I filed a FOIA to try to get information about that program”
Listen from 2:29:42 · Gifted and talented education
Julia Mossbridge
Mossbridge argues that giving children substances and memory-altering experiments without parental consent was unethical, even if the goals were understandable.
“the thing that I think was wrong, unethical, was not giving students things to ingest and doing experiments that remove their memory without consent of parents”
Listen from 2:30:30 · Gifted and talented education
Julia Mossbridge
Mossbridge reports that statistics from a study of her audio time-machine app indicated unconditional love drove shifts in users' time perspective.
“it looks like unconditional love itself caused a huge shift along with someone's time perspective”
Listen from 2:40:55 · Applied Love Labs

People

In the conversation

Joe RoganAmerican comedian and host of The Joe Rogan Experience
Julia MossbridgeAmerican cognitive neuroscientist, author, and founder of Applied Love Labs who studies precognition and telepathy

Discussed

Dean RadinParapsychology researcher at the Institute of Noetic Sciences who advised Mossbridge early in her career
Morris FreedmanNeurologist at Baycrest in Toronto whose studies Mossbridge cited on brain lesions and intention
Ky DickensCreator of the podcast The Telepathy Tapes
Jeff TarrantNeuroscientist and co-investigator in Mossbridge's telepathy trials
Diana Walsh PasulkaReligious studies scholar and author of American Cosmic
Jacques ValléeComputer scientist and UFO researcher who favors interdimensional explanations
Garry NolanStanford professor who has analyzed materials said to come from crash sites
Michael MastersAnthropologist who argues UFO occupants may be future humans
Anna Brady-EstevezFormer National Science Foundation official who founded the American DeepTech investment fund
Marshall McLuhanCanadian media theorist quoted by Rogan on humans as sex organs of the machine world
Steven PressfieldAmerican author of books on creativity including The Artist's Journey
Brian CallenComedian who blew an Aztec death whistle in Rogan's studio

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From the publisher

Julia Mossbridge, PhD, is a cognitive neuroscientist, author, and educator. She is the founder and president of American Electrodynamics, the co-founder and chief science officer of Applied Love Labs, and a senior advisor for American DeepTech. Her latest book, “Have a Nice Disclosure!,” is available now.www.youtube.com/@JuliaMossbridgewww.applied.lovewww.juliamossbridge.com Perplexity: Download the app or ask Perplexity anything at https://pplx.ai/rogan. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Summary, chapters and key points were generated from the episode transcript on September 28, 2026. Quotes are checked word for word against the transcript.

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