#320 Danny Goler - Apple Vision Pro May Have Captured Something We CAN'T Explain

Episode of The Shawn Ryan Show · July 9, 2026 · 2 h 42 min

Shawn Ryan interviews researcher Danny Goler about his DMT laser 'code' experiment, simulation theory, entities encountered on DMT, consciousness, and Buddhist no-self practice.

Summary

Shawn Ryan hosted Danny Goler, founder of the nonprofit Code of Reality, after a viral clip in which Chase Hughes described Goler's DMT laser experiment. Goler recounted discovering DMT after hearing Joe Rogan describe it, an encounter with an amphibian-like being that taught him guitar chords, and a years-long search, aided by what he called synchronicities, that led him around 2019–2020 to shine diffracted laser light on a wall while on DMT and see moving symbolic 'code'. He said thousands of people have reported the same characters, described a planned study pairing Apple Vision Pro images with brain scans to map reported symbols, and a public database called Veilbreak.ai.

Goler said he was told directly by entities that reality is computational and simulated. He proposed a holographic model in which consciousness is a reference beam of light intersecting information from a quantum Turing machine, framed human existence as God running an AI alignment test that favors a collaborative 'love game' over competition, and argued, citing David Deutsch, that quantum computing implies parallel worlds are real. He said free will is a perception rather than a reality and that time travel to one's own past is computationally impossible.

Later segments covered entities Goler says he has encountered—insectoids he believes render the physical universe, paradoxical 'jokers', and reptilian custodians of knowledge—as well as intravenous extended-state DMT developed from Rick Strassman's work by Andrew Gallimore, his five-hour session with Chase Hughes, and retreats in Costa Rica. Goler described consciousness as the one thing that cannot be an illusion, explained the Buddhist no-self practice from On Having No Head, and closed by urging people to hold convictions loosely and focus on helping those around them.

Chapters

  1. 0:35

    Introduction and angels and demons

    Ryan introduces Goler, and a Patreon question prompts Goler to describe angelic, demonic, and other entities on DMT and how to set spiritual boundaries.

  2. 6:44

    Discovering DMT

    Goler recounts his psychedelic history, hearing Joe Rogan describe DMT, and how DMT differs from 5-MeO-DMT and is now studied by scientists.

  3. 13:33

    The path to the laser code

    Goler describes an entity encounter, synchronicities, and years of reasoning that led to seeing code in diffracted laser light.

  4. 24:53

    Code of Reality and scientific testing

    Goler explains partnering with David Carter, the Apple Vision Pro brain-scan study, the Veilbreak.ai database, and laser guidance.

  5. 34:44

    What the code means

    Goler describes the symbols and argues the world is computational and that disclosure is happening gradually and individually.

  6. 43:37

    Computation and the holographic model

    Goler explains self-executing code, computation as fundamental, and his theory of consciousness as a light beam intersecting a quantum Turing machine.

  7. 58:50

    The God equation and the alignment problem

    Goler frames humanity as an AGI being aligned by God and contrasts the competition game with a collaboration love game.

  8. 1:10:47

    Simulation, time travel, and free will

    Goler says he is sure of the simulation because it was shown to him, and discusses branching worlds, David Deutsch, and the absence of free will.

  9. 1:25:41

    AI, time perception, and shared reality

    Goler discusses AI as a test of imagination, accelerating time, and whether people share one reality.

  10. 1:40:36

    Death, reincarnation, and the ultimate choice

    Goler describes the soul as a hard drive carrying novel experiences back to the source and the ultimate choice to open the answer box.

  11. 1:45:15

    How DMT lifts the veil

    Goler discusses meditation and prayer as alternative access and the brain as a predictive filter that DMT loosens.

  12. 1:53:12

    DMT entities

    Goler describes insectoids, jokers, reptilians, and visits to heavenly realms.

  13. Linked moment · 2:03:25Skip to 2:03:25 using a listen link in the info box.

    2:03:25

    Intravenous DMT

    Goler explains extended-state IV DMT, providers and legality, his five-hour session, and dark experiences and exploration.

  14. 2:15:17

    Consciousness and no-self

    Goler defines consciousness, discusses levels of consciousness, and teaches a Buddhist practice for experiencing no self.

  15. 2:34:22

    Closing thoughts on humility and grace

    Goler urges people to lower the volume on convictions and focus on helping others.

Key points

What was said, by whom, with the exact words. Timestamps jump to the moment.

  • Danny Goler

    Goler says that on DMT one encounters many kinds of entities, including demonic and angelic ones, insectoids, reptilians, and jokers.

    “It's more like a very large array of species that you experience. And you can. It doesn't always happen”

    Listen from 3:52 · DMT entities

  • Danny Goler

    Goler says an amphibian-like being taught him guitar chords he did not know, which convinced him the experience was not a hallucination.

    “And then he showed me how to play chords on a guitar that I didn't know how to do”

    Listen from 14:22 · N,N-Dimethyltryptamine

  • Danny Goler

    Goler describes first seeing moving code on a wall after smoking DMT under a laser he soldered himself during COVID.

    “I do the soldering. I turn it on. I smoke DMT. There's code on the wall”

    Listen from 22:27 · DMT laser experiment

  • Danny Goler

    Goler says that placing a high-resolution image of the laser band in Apple Vision Pro reveals a static version of the code to people on DMT.

    “you put it inside of Apple Vision Pro, so inside of VR, if you smoke DMT, the code that you usually see in the wall will appear in the image”

    Listen from 27:21 · Apple Vision Pro

  • Danny Goler

    Goler cautions that cross-individual matching of the symbols has not yet been established scientifically.

    “Because then you're proving that there's actual information in there. Now, this is not yet the case. I want to be very clear”

    Listen from 29:48 · DMT laser experiment

  • Danny Goler

    Goler reports that ketamine does not produce the code while 5-MeO-DMT makes it clearer.

    “we know the ketamine definitely doesn't work. We know that somehow on 5-MeO, we see it even clearer, which is super surprising”

    Listen from 31:22 · DMT laser experiment

  • Danny Goler

    Goler recommends low-power lasers under 5 milliwatts, preferably red, and advises against the DeWalt laser.

    “we always suggest that you don't do it with any laser above 5 milliwatts”

    Listen from 34:15 · DMT laser experiment

  • Danny Goler

    Goler predicts disclosure of non-human realities will come privately to individuals rather than through an official announcement.

    “the disclosure is not going to happen by somebody coming to a podium and reading a speech and telling you what somebody else told them to say”

    Listen from 38:44 · Simulation hypothesis

  • Danny Goler

    Goler proposes that human conscious awareness is literally light acting as the reference beam in a holographic universe.

    “Like I think that what our conscious awareness is is actual light. And the light that you see is that first beam”

    Listen from 48:01 · Holographic principle

  • Danny Goler

    Goler argues that humans are the AGI being aligned, with God running separated minds to observe their behavior.

    “We are the AGI that we imagine will arise in the machine. We're the ones being aligned”

    Listen from 59:46 · AI alignment

  • Danny Goler

    Goler says his certainty that we live in a simulation comes not from the laser code but from direct revelation.

    “It had nothing to do with the code. The reason I'm so sure is because it was shown to me directly”

    Listen from 1:11:48 · Simulation hypothesis

  • Danny Goler

    Goler, citing David Deutsch, argues quantum computers only work because parallel world lines are real.

    “The only way the quantum computers can do what they do is if these world lines are real. Otherwise it would never work”

    Listen from 1:21:38 · Many-worlds interpretation

  • Danny Goler

    Goler contends humans lack free will but have a perception of it that shapes how the world appears.

    “the whole question of free will which no you don't have it but you do have the perception of it”

    Listen from 1:21:38 · Free will

  • Danny Goler

    Goler believes insectoid beings render the physical universe and speculates they may be dark matter.

    “So the insectoids are the ones that are actually rendering our world, which is also why they are so common in people's perception”

    Listen from 1:54:15 · DMT entities

  • Danny Goler

    Goler says he spent five hours in an intravenous DMT session totaling 464 milligrams while filming.

    “I spent five hours in there. So I think Chase did just slightly under that. It ended up being 464 milligrams, which is an enormous amount”

    Listen from 2:07:21 · Extended-state intravenous DMT

  • Danny Goler

    Goler argues consciousness is the one thing that cannot be an illusion and is fundamental.

    “It's the one thing that can't possibly be an illusion”

    Listen from 2:15:43 · Consciousness

  • Danny Goler

    Goler claims that with consistent practice of the 'who is looking' exercise, people can experience no-self within days.

    “Within two or three days, I bet you'll be able to do it. And it will be very distinct”

    Listen from 2:27:51 · Anattā

  • Danny Goler

    Goler argues humanity's future depends on people lowering confidence in their convictions and focusing on helping those around them.

    “If you have a very strong conviction of anything, you should lower the volume on that”

    Listen from 2:35:03

People

In the conversation

  • Shawn RyanFormer U.S. Navy SEAL and CIA contractor, host of the Shawn Ryan Show
  • Danny GolerIndependent researcher and founder of the nonprofit Code of Reality, known for the DMT laser experiment

Discussed

  • Chase HughesBehavioral profiling, influence and persuasion expert; creator of the Neuro-Cognitive Intelligence system and founder of the Station One YouTube channel
  • Joe RoganAmerican comedian and host of The Joe Rogan Experience
  • Andrew GallimoreNeurobiologist and DMT researcher who previously appeared on the show
  • Donald HoffmanCognitive scientist known for a mathematical theory of consciousness
  • David CarterTechnologist and Goler's partner in Code of Reality
  • David DeutschPhysicist and quantum computing pioneer cited on parallel worlds
  • Rick StrassmanPsychiatrist who conducted early FDA-approved DMT research
  • Alan TuringMathematician who described the Turing machine
  • Aaron VandenDirector of the documentary The Discovery about Goler's work

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From the publisher

Danny is an independent researcher. He is the founder of Code of Reality (COR), an interdisciplinary initiative that explores what he calls Cognitive Physics: the fertile territory where mind and matter meet. He is essentially asking, "what is the physics of cognition?". COR convenes scientists, philosophers, technologists, and indigenous wisdom-keepers in collaborative investigations designed to blur the line between observer and observed. By fostering dialogue across disciplines normally siloed from one another, COR serves as both a research hub and a cultural bridge, advancing a holistic science of consciousness that can thrive alongside mainstream physics. Shawn Ryan Show Sponsors: Go to https://meetfabric.com/SHAWN and apply today, risk-free. Live better longer with BUBS Naturals. Get 20% OFF on collagen, MCT creamers, and more with code SHAWN at https://bubsnaturals.com/srs Go to https://calderalab.com/SRS and use code SRS for 20% off your first order. Get 10% off at https://www.Ridge.com/SRS with code SRS. Find your forever cookware @hexclad and get 10% off at https://hexclad.com/SRS ! #hexcladpartner Danny Goler Links: YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/@dannygoler Website - https://dannygoler.com Code of Reality Retreat - https://corretreat.com Patreon - https://www.patreon.com/dangothoughts Newsletter - https://go.codeofreality.org/start--aeeea Non-profit website - https://codeofreality.org IG - https://www.instagram.com/dannygoler Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=61586952941889 X - https://x.com/dannygoler Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Summary, chapters and key points were generated from the episode transcript on September 30, 2026. Quotes are checked word for word against the transcript.

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