#447 - NASA Study Confirms "Predatory" Plasma Beings & Von Braun's Alien Warning | Jay Anderson

Episode of Danny Jones Podcast · November 9, 2026 · 3 h 28 min

Danny Jones and Project Unity creator Jay Anderson discuss UFO secrecy, Anderson's orb sightings, plasma life, ancient Egyptian and Peruvian mysteries, and social media manipulation.

Summary

Jay Anderson, creator of Project Unity, joined Danny Jones for a wide-ranging conversation that opened with Anderson's interview with Admiral Bobby Ray Inman, who he said tensed up when asked about Bob Oechsler's recorded claims of recovered vehicles. Anderson described his path into the subject via Steven Greer's CE5 practice and recounted a series of 2019 sightings in his back garden, including a triangle formation of orange orbs he said emerged from a shimmering cloud. Jones shared footage of an orb he and his producer recorded with Chris Bledsoe. The two discussed consciousness, microtubules, the placebo effect and psychedelics, and Anderson argued that self-organizing plasma, citing a 2024 multi-institution paper on STS-75 footage, could account for some UAP sightings.

The conversation then moved to alternative history. Anderson argued that Peru's Nazca mummies may be obscured by publicized fakes, questioned the lifting-point explanation for stone nubs found in Cusco and on the Menkaure pyramid, described the precision of the Serapeum boxes and hidden figures in the Pyramid of Unas, and offered a speculative theory of the Great Pyramid as a psychoacoustic 'astral projection machine.' Both expressed skepticism about Filippo Biondi's Khafre scans and the Hawara labyrinth scans, and Jones said he had concluded the most precise granite vases are likely modern forgeries.

Later segments covered T. Townsend Brown, Tesla, Mark McCandlish's alien reproduction vehicle and Anderson's account of a phone call with Brad Sorensen, as well as Anderson's criticism of Jake Barber, Skywatcher, Tom DeLonge and To the Stars Academy, which he argued was a response to Greer. They discussed Carol Rosin's von Braun account, Gary McKinnon, Apollo doubts, the Marilyn Monroe wiretap document and Project Moon Dust, Epstein-related elites, and Anderson's unsettling interview with researcher Mouthy Buddha. The episode closed with discussion of X's algorithm and UK immigration discourse, Jones's theory that social media data feeds a surveillance system, Maui fire conspiracy claims, disaster-preparedness advisories and the AI stock bubble.

Chapters

1:14
Bobby Ray Inman and intelligence insiders
Anderson recounts interviewing Admiral Bobby Ray Inman about Bob Oechsler's recorded call and voices distrust of intel-connected UFO figures like Bob McGwier.
15:20
Jay's CE5 contact experiences
Anderson describes being introduced to CE5 through Steven Greer's film and his 2019 sightings of orange orb formations in his garden.
34:25
Danny's orb sighting with Chris Bledsoe
Jones shows footage of an orb filmed on a Florida beach with Chris Bledsoe and the pair discuss Bledsoe and belief.
38:10
Consciousness, psychedelics and the placebo effect
The hosts discuss microtubules, the receiver theory of consciousness, flow states, psilocybin and the power of expectation.
47:43
Plasma intelligence and STS-75
Anderson presents the self-organized plasma hypothesis and a 2024 paper analyzing orbs around the STS-75 tether.
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1:02:16
Human fields, Project Unity and UFO grifters
Anderson links human electromagnetism to contact, explains his channel's name, and the hosts discuss money and grifting in ufology.
1:11:07
Ant people and the Nazca mummies
Anderson recounts Amazonian and Hopi ant-people lore and defends parts of the Nazca mummy research while acknowledging fakes.
1:18:43
Stone nubs, the Serapeum and the Unas pyramid
Anderson compares Peruvian and Egyptian masonry, describes the Serapeum boxes and shows hidden figures in the Pyramid of Unas.
1:38:57
Pyramid theories, Sphinx and scan controversies
Anderson offers a psychoacoustic pyramid theory and the pair weigh Biondi's scans, the Great Pyramid void and the Hawara labyrinth.
2:00:15
Granite vases and money in alternative research
Jones argues precise vases are likely modern fakes and both discuss grifting and audience incentives.
2:06:44
Classified propulsion and the ARV
They discuss T. Townsend Brown, Tesla, John Hutchison, Mark McCandlish and Anderson's account of Brad Sorensen's claims.
2:21:18
Skywatcher, von Braun, DeLonge and TTSA
Anderson criticizes militarized CE5, recounts Carol Rosin's von Braun story and argues To the Stars Academy was a response to Greer.
2:38:56
McKinnon, Apollo, Monroe and Moon Dust
The hosts discuss Gary McKinnon, NASA witnesses, Apollo doubts, and a disputed Marilyn Monroe wiretap document marked Project Moon Dust.
2:54:55
Elites, Epstein and Mouthy Buddha
After touching on Sharon Tate and the dybbuk box, Anderson describes fears about elite blackmail and a strange interview with researcher Mouthy Buddha.
3:04:58
X algorithms, surveillance and closing topics
They discuss X amplifying outrage, Jones's digital-ID theory, the Dark Enlightenment, Maui fires, preparedness advisories and the AI bubble.

Key points

What was said, by whom, with the exact words. Timestamps jump to the moment.

Jay Anderson
Anderson said Bobby Ray Inman became visibly tense when questioned about Bob Oechsler's recorded claims.
“but he definitely tightened up once we got on to Bob Exler”
Listen from 6:39 · Unidentified flying objects and government disclosure
Jay Anderson
Anderson expressed distrust of intelligence-connected UFO figures who claim insider knowledge of viral stories without evidence.
“I just get suspicious of people that always seem to have a claim to fame around a viral story, but never bring receipts to confirm that they were actually involved”
Listen from 13:21 · Unidentified flying objects and government disclosure
Jay Anderson
Anderson argued the UFO subject should be approached through scientific curiosity rather than through national security institutions.
“I don't think trusting and giving power over to the national security architecture of the U.S. or the U.K. or any of the Five Eyes”
Listen from 14:09 · Unidentified flying objects and government disclosure
Jay Anderson
Anderson recounted seeing a cloud collapse above his house to reveal a triangle of orange orbs.
“revealed what was actually within this cloud, which was a triangle formation of about 25, 30 orange orbs of light”
Listen from 25:52 · Close encounters of the fifth kind (CE5)
Jay Anderson
Anderson claimed microtubule research supports the view that the brain receives rather than generates consciousness.
“the microtubules are giving the scientists a potential empirical anchor into the receiver”
Listen from 38:10 · Consciousness
Jay Anderson
Anderson argued that contact experiences depend on personal belief rather than any specific religious framework.
“It's your personal belief in your own ability for something to happen that causes it to happen”
Listen from 38:32 · Close encounters of the fifth kind (CE5)
Danny Jones
Jones suggested psychedelic experiences may largely project the user's inner psyche, akin to an amplified placebo effect.
“Like it's sort of like a placebo effect on steroids”
Listen from 44:16 · Consciousness
Jay Anderson
Anderson agreed with David Grusch that plasma-based intelligences may be part of the UAP phenomenon.
“He mentioned plasma beings, like plasmic intelligences as a potential- part of the intelligence spectrum we're dealing with. And I agree with him”
Listen from 48:37 · Self-organized plasma life hypothesis
Jay Anderson
Anderson argued that publicized fakes may be obscuring genuinely anomalous Nazca specimens.
“I just think that there's a bit of a smokescreen being generated around this subject where proven fakes are being put to the forefront”
Listen from 1:17:29 · Nazca mummies
Jay Anderson
Anderson rejected the mainstream explanation that stone nubs on Inca and Egyptian blocks were lifting points.
“so the lifting point is really, to me, a not very likely explanation”
Listen from 1:23:11 · Great Pyramid of Giza
Jay Anderson
Anderson argued the Serapeum boxes being more refined inside than outside contradicts their identification as funerary boxes for bulls.
“it's more precise on the inside than the outside”
Listen from 1:32:41 · Serapeum of Saqqara
Jay Anderson
Anderson offered the speculative theory that the Great Pyramid was a psychoacoustic device for altered states, possibly an astral projection machine.
“I think it would be some sort of astral projection machine”
Listen from 1:39:03 · Great Pyramid of Giza
Jay Anderson
Anderson argued dynastic Egyptians inherited rather than built the pyramids, which he attributes to an older civilization.
“the pharaonic era and the dynastic era is just a consequence of people finding these structures and building a civilization around them”
Listen from 1:44:52 · Great Pyramid of Giza
Danny Jones
Jones said he has concluded the most precise ancient granite vases are probably modern forgeries made for the antiquities market.
“there's a lot of motherfuckers who want to make a lot of money on these crazy artifact on this antiquities market”
Listen from 2:01:07
Danny Jones
Jones said UFO content draws the largest audience and covering it exclusively would greatly grow his show.
“If I just did UFO podcasts, my podcast would be five times the size it is right now”
Listen from 2:02:09 · Unidentified flying objects and government disclosure
Jay Anderson
Anderson recounted that Brad Sorensen claimed on a phone call to be able to build a craft traveling far faster than light.
“I am capable of designing and building a vehicle that can go 210 times the speed of light”
Listen from 2:15:27 · Alien reproduction vehicle
Jay Anderson
Anderson criticized Jake Barber and Skywatcher for militarizing CE5 practices in service of a pro-government narrative.
“I think that they've taken things that were being done and appropriated them for this new narrative that's focused around promotion of government”
Listen from 2:24:03 · Close encounters of the fifth kind (CE5)
Jay Anderson
Anderson argued To the Stars Academy was created to wrest control of the disclosure narrative from Steven Greer.
“I truly think if you take it a little bit further back, TTSA was a response to Greer”
Listen from 2:33:37 · To the Stars Academy of Arts and Science
Jay Anderson
Anderson said he believes the Apollo astronauts reached the Moon but that the public footage was doctored or fabricated.
“I think they went, I do think they went, but they didn't record it for us”
Listen from 2:44:29 · Apollo program
Jay Anderson
Anderson argued the Moon Dust project name on the disputed Marilyn Monroe wiretap document lends it credibility.
“Moondust is printed on a cable wiretap document about a UFO tell-all conference from Marilyn Monroe 48 hours before she dies of a drug overdose”
Listen from 2:51:20 · Project Moon Dust
Jay Anderson
Anderson, who opposes uncontrolled immigration, argued UK immigration problems are exaggerated online.
“it's being amplified and elevated online to levels that are not real”
Listen from 3:05:10 · Social media algorithms
Jay Anderson
Anderson said engagement on his X posts has risen while impressions have fallen sharply, suggesting algorithmic manipulation.
“Likes, reposts, comments, everything's scaled up, but the impressions have gone down radically”
Listen from 3:05:44 · Social media algorithms
Danny Jones
Jones theorized that loosened speech rules on X serve to build user models for future digital-ID and surveillance control.
“they're trying to take off the guardrails of free speech on there right now so they can sort of build some sort of a model around all the users”
Listen from 3:14:42 · Social media algorithms
Danny Jones
Jones said the Department of Government Efficiency was used to consolidate federal data for AI rather than to cut waste.
“He wasn't weeding out waste, fraud, and abuse. He was going into the HHS, the IRS, and the Social Security”
Listen from 3:15:41 · Artificial intelligence
Danny Jones
Jones, citing Catherine Austin Fitts, said the stock market is concentrated in AI firms in a bubble larger than the dot-com bubble.
“the AI bubble right now is like almost double what the dot-com bubble was”
Listen from 3:24:20 · Artificial intelligence

People

In the conversation

Danny JonesAmerican podcaster and host of the Danny Jones Podcast
Jay AndersonBritish host and creator of the Project Unity YouTube channel, covering UFOs, ancient history and consciousness

Discussed

Bobby Ray InmanRetired U.S. admiral and former NSA director and CIA deputy director
Bob OechslerFormer NASA mission specialist who recorded a 1989 call with Inman about recovered vehicles
Steven GreerUFO disclosure advocate
Chris BledsoeAmerican UFO experiencer and podcast host who photographed an orb
Terence McKennaAmerican ethnobotanist and psychedelics advocate cited on higher dimensions
David GruschFormer intelligence official whose House Oversight testimony Gaetz cites
Filippo BiondiItalian researcher using synthetic aperture radar to scan beneath Egyptian sites
Mark McCandlishAerospace illustrator who drew the alien reproduction vehicle schematic
Brad SorensenAlleged source of McCandlish's ARV account
Jake BarberFormer helicopter pilot associated with Skywatcher who claimed to retrieve a UAP
Carol RosinAerospace executive who claimed Wernher von Braun warned of a fake alien threat
Wernher von BraunGerman-American rocket engineer whose work transformed Huntsville, Alabama
Tom DeLongeMusician and co-founder of To The Stars Academy of Arts and Science
Luis ElizondoFormer Pentagon official associated with UAP disclosure
Garry NolanStanford professor who has analyzed materials said to come from crash sites
Gary McKinnonBritish hacker who breached NASA systems seeking UFO evidence
Marilyn MonroeAmerican actress known for her beauty mark
John G. TrumpMIT engineer who reviewed Nikola Tesla's papers
Elon MuskEntrepreneur behind X, xAI and SpaceX, discussed in AI competition
Les WexnerOhio billionaire and former associate of Jeffrey Epstein

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Watch every episode ad-free & uncensored on Patreon: https://patreon.com/dannyjones Jay Anderson is the host & creator of Project Unity focusing on UFO's, ancient civilizations, consciousness & much more. @ProjectUnity SPONSORS https://irestore.com/djp - Use code DJP for HUGE savings on iRestore. https://www.amentara.com/go/dj - Use code DannyHarvest22 for 22% off first order. https://livemomentous.com - Use code DANNY for up to 35% off your entire first order. https://whiterabbitenergy.com/?ref=DJP - Use code DJP for 20% off. EPISODE LINKS @ProjectUnity https://x.com/TheProjectUnity *NEW* DJP MERCH https://dannyjonespodcast.com Get paid to make clips from the show: https://discord.com/invite/dannyjones FOLLOW DANNY JONES https://www.instagram.com/dannyjones https://twitter.com/jonesdanny OUTLINE 00:00 - Bobby Ray Inman's UFO interview 10:35 - Bob McGwier's claims about classified NDAs 15:25 - Steven Greer & Jay's first contact experience 19:37 - Meditation & Jay's first orb sightings 27:11 - Orange orb formations & Jay's family's reaction 33:20 - Danny's orb sighting with Chris Bledsoe 38:40 - Consciousness, microtubules & the receiver theory 42:54 - Psychedelics & the placebo effect 47:13 - David Grusch & the plasma intelligence hypothesis 50:35 - STS-75 footage & claims of lifelike plasma 01:01:09 - Human electromagnetic fields & Jay's contact theory 01:08:10 - Project Unity, belief & UFO grifters 01:10:11 - Amazonian & Hopi stories of ant people 01:13:37 - The Nazca mummies debate 01:18:58 - Menkaure pyramid & Cusco's stone nubs 01:28:26 - How were the Serapeum's granite boxes moved? 01:34:01 - Hidden figures in the Unas pyramid 01:37:49 - Jay's pyramid theory & psychoacoustics 01:45:08 - Filippo Biondi's second Sphinx claim 01:50:43 - The Great Pyramid void & Hawara labyrinth scans 01:57:32 - Problems with the Khafra pyramid scans 01:59:21 - Ancient granite vases & the modern forgery debate 02:05:38 - T. Townsend Brown, Tesla & classified research 02:12:37 - T…

Summary, chapters and key points were generated from the episode transcript on November 14, 2026. Quotes are checked word for word against the transcript.

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