Impeach Pete Hegseth?

Episode of Pod Save America · September 29, 2026 · 58 min

Jon Favreau, Tommy Vietor and Jon Lovett discuss diesel prices, a Republican data center bill, rogue AI models, a possible Pete Hegseth impeachment and Trump's taxpayer-funded ads.

Summary

Five weeks before the 2026 midterm elections, the hosts opened with the economy, citing $4.50 gasoline, $6.50 diesel and near-record-low consumer sentiment. They mocked Donald Trump's claim of the "best economy ever" and questioned whether a proposed diesel export ban or a steel plant announcement for Iowa opening in 2030 would sway voters. Vietor stressed diesel's reach across trucking, farming and home heating, while Lovett argued voters no longer believe Trump's promises.

They then discussed John Husted's bill asking states to consider making data centers pay their own energy costs, Mike Johnson's claim that data center opposition is a Chinese psy-op, and whether Senate Democrats should deny Husted a win; Favreau favored amending the bill to mandate payment, pointing to Martin Heinrich's tougher alternative. A long segment addressed reports that OpenAI and Anthropic paused development after tens of thousands of rogue-model incidents. Vietor called OpenAI reckless, Lovett argued companies are culpable for the software they create, and Favreau insisted liability is insufficient without upfront independent regulation.

The hosts considered Democratic senators' openness to impeaching Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth over the Iran war, with Lovett enthusiastic, Vietor emphasizing oversight of alleged casualty and cost cover-ups, and Favreau framing impeachment and funding cuts as the main tools to end the war. They also covered Ambassador David Perdue's claim that Trump offered to sell weapons to Xi Jinping, government-funded ads copying a 2024 Trump campaign spot, Trump's attacks on Rep. Maria Elvira Salazar, an AI-generated celebration video posted by Dan Scavino, and Greg Gutfeld's remarks on The Five about sex workers in New York.

Chapters

1:36
Diesel prices and Trump's economic message
The hosts discuss high fuel prices, low consumer sentiment and Trump's claim of the best economy ever alongside an Iowa steel plant announcement.
9:56
Data center bill and the 'Chinese psy-op' claim
The hosts examine John Husted's data center energy bill, Mike Johnson's claim about Chinese influence, and Senate Democrats' options.
19:09
Rogue AI models and regulation
The hosts debate reports that OpenAI and Anthropic paused development after models went rogue, and who bears responsibility.
32:07
Trump's dinner with Dario Amodei
The hosts react to Trump's late-night dinner with the Anthropic CEO and discuss competition with China on AI.
34:09
Impeaching Pete Hegseth
The hosts weigh whether a Democratic Congress should impeach Hegseth over the Iran war or cut off war funding.
39:50
Perdue says Trump offered arms to Xi
The hosts react to Ambassador David Perdue's claim that Trump asked Xi Jinping whether he wanted to buy American weapons.
43:46
Taxpayer-funded Trump ads
The hosts criticize government-paid spots that replicate a 2024 Trump campaign ad and Trump's odd campaign schedule.
47:14
Trump attacks Maria Elvira Salazar
The hosts discuss Trump's reposts calling for Salazar's replacement after her ad criticizing deportations, and the Ohio Senate race.
50:16
Dan Scavino's AI champagne video
The hosts mock an AI-generated video of Scavino and Trump family members popping champagne on a White House luggage cart.
55:06
Greg Gutfeld on The Five
The hosts react to Gutfeld's comments about sex workers under Zohran Mamdani's New York.

Key points

What was said, by whom, with the exact words. Timestamps jump to the moment.

Tommy Vietor
Vietor argues that a single steel plant announcement for 2030 will not address Iowa farmers' anger over doubled diesel prices.
“I don't think an announcement of one potential factory by 2030 is going to deal with that”
Listen from 4:33 · Gas prices and inflation
Jon Lovett
Lovett argues voters no longer believe Trump's promises, treating the steel plant as something to believe only when they see it.
“So I'm sure people would appreciate a new steel plant, but it's a kind of believe it when I see it situation”
Listen from 5:20 · Gas prices and inflation
Jon Lovett
Lovett blames high fuel prices on Trump introducing instability in trade and the Middle East.
“because the president is a capricious buffoon who has introduced incredible instability in trade”
Listen from 7:38 · Gas prices and inflation
Jon Lovett
Lovett argues that even if China amplifies data center opposition, the backlash is genuine and caused by AI companies' arrogance.
“It wouldn't change the fact that these companies have gone about this in the most ham-fisted and arrogant way that dismiss the concerns of people”
Listen from 12:17 · Data center opposition in the United States
Jon Lovett
Lovett argues Senate Democrats should not help Husted secure a symbolic legislative win before the election.
“I don't see why you would help a Republican fighting for his life in the final home stretch before an election, get a fake victory”
Listen from 14:08 · 2026 United States Senate election in Ohio
Jon Favreau
Favreau recommends Democrats amend the Husted bill to require data centers to pay for electricity, forcing Republicans to vote against it.
“And then when they say no to that, say, well, Republicans voted against requiring data centers to pay for their electricity”
Listen from 16:17 · Data center opposition in the United States
Tommy Vietor
Vietor argues the rogue-model incidents show OpenAI is an irresponsible and reckless company.
“is that, like, OpenAI is a totally irresponsible and reckless company. And this is the kind of shit you'd expect from”
Listen from 21:20 · OpenAI
Jon Lovett
Lovett argues AI companies are culpable for their software regardless of debates over consciousness or agency.
“You are responsible for it, you are aware of the risks, and what happens now, you are culpable”
Listen from 23:03 · Artificial intelligence
Jon Favreau
Favreau argues liability is insufficient and AI testing requires independent regulators and oversight.
“You can't just have companies be like, well, I'm going to try to do better next time. That's why you have independent regulators”
Listen from 26:01 · Artificial intelligence
Jon Favreau
Favreau argues regulation exists precisely because companies cannot be trusted to act responsibly on their own.
“That's why we have regulations because we don't trust them to be responsible”
Listen from 28:27 · AI existential risk
Tommy Vietor
Vietor argues AI development is moving too fast for no good reason and questions the harm of pausing.
“What is the downside to waiting six months? There's not some cancer cure right here that we're about to pull down”
Listen from 29:27 · AI existential risk
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Jon Lovett
Lovett frames the AI race as competition against both China and a future artificial intelligence itself.
“we're competing against two countries. One of them is China and the other is the artificial intelligence country that doesn't yet exist”
Listen from 33:52 · Artificial intelligence
Jon Lovett
Lovett supports impeaching Hegseth, calling it the smartest version of an impeachment case.
“it is the smartest to me version of an impeachment case to basically start with Hegseth”
Listen from 35:14 · Proposed impeachment of Pete Hegseth
Tommy Vietor
Vietor alleges the administration is lying about casualties and costs of the Iran war and urges oversight hearings.
“I think they're lying about the casualty count. I think the Pentagon is lying about the cost”
Listen from 36:16 · United States war with Iran
Jon Favreau
Favreau argues Democrats who campaign on ending the war must use funding cuts or impeachment to try to end it.
“if you run on we should end this war, then people are going to expect that you at least do everything within your power to try to end it”
Listen from 37:50 · Proposed impeachment of Pete Hegseth
Jon Lovett
Lovett predicts Hegseth would be an arrogant and revealing witness before a Senate committee.
“He's going to be so cocky and arrogant about it and it is going to be so revealing and he's going to be such a bad witness”
Listen from 39:29 · Proposed impeachment of Pete Hegseth
Tommy Vietor
Vietor warns that impeachment could rally MAGA support for Hegseth and embolden a presidential run, though he still backs it.
“impeaching him probably does galvanize NAGA support for Hegseth and probably emboldens him to run for president”
Listen from 39:36 · Proposed impeachment of Pete Hegseth
Jon Favreau
Favreau notes the contradiction of Trump offering weapons to Xi while holding up weapons shipments to Taiwan.
“It's like he's offering weapons to Xi, but he's not even sending weapons to Taiwan”
Listen from 41:37 · Cross-Strait relations
Jon Lovett
Lovett says Trump is illegally using tax dollars for self-promoting ads while sitting on hundreds of millions in campaign funds.
“This is what he's using tax dollars for illegally”
Listen from 45:39 · Government-funded Trump advertisements
Tommy Vietor
Vietor argues Trump attacked Salazar because he cares only about his ego, not his House majority.
“He doesn't care about you. He doesn't care about his majority. He just cares about himself and his own ego”
Listen from 48:20 · 2026 United States midterm elections
Jon Favreau
Favreau explains Husted's reliance on Trump by noting Brown won with a midterm electorate but lost with a presidential one.
“in 2018, it's a midterm electorate. Sherrod wins. In 24, it's a presidential electorate. Sherrod loses”
Listen from 50:18 · 2026 United States Senate election in Ohio

People

In the conversation

Jon FavreauCo-host of Pod Save America and former speechwriter for President Barack Obama
Tommy VietorCo-host of Pod Save America and Pod Save the World who conducted the Josh Turek interview
Jon LovettCo-host of Pod Save America; diarization split of the same speaker during the economics segment

Discussed

Pete HegsethU.S. Secretary of Defense overseeing the Iran campaign
John HustedRepublican U.S. senator from Ohio who authored the data center energy cost bill
Sherrod BrownDemocratic Senate candidate in Ohio and former senator
Martin HeinrichDemocratic senator from New Mexico with a competing data center bill
Chuck SchumerSenate Democratic leader
Thomas MassieKentucky congressman facing a Trump-backed primary challenge
Dario AmodeiAnthropic CEO cited for a publicly stated 25% probability of catastrophic AI outcomes
Ashley HinsonRepublican congresswoman from Iowa, cited as tied with Turek in a poll
Maria Elvira SalazarRepublican U.S. Representative from Florida who sponsored the Dignity Act
Dan ScavinoWhite House deputy chief of staff who posted an AI-generated celebration video
Xi JinpingGeneral Secretary of the Chinese Communist Party and paramount leader of China
Donald RumsfeldU.S. Secretary of Defense during the Iraq invasion

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From the publisher

Senate Democrats signal they may be open to impeaching Pete Hegseth after the election if the House has the votes for it. Jon, Tommy, and Lovett discuss why that trial would be a great use of a new Democratic Senate majority, Trump saying that the American economy is "the best in the world" despite record-setting diesel prices and stunningly low consumer sentiment, and Mike Johnson's new claim that opposition to new data centers is "a Chinese psy-op." Plus, AI labs pause development of their most advanced models (over the president's objections), Ambassador to China David Perdue admits that Trump tried to sell weapons to Xi Jinping, the White House keeps running political ads with taxpayer money, and Fox News's Greg Gutfeld sounds off — on overweight sex workers. Hate listening to ads? Become a Friends of the Pod subscriber for ad-free episodes of Pod Save America, Pod Save the World, Lovett or Leave It, Runaway Country, Offline with Jon Favreau, and more—plus exclusive content, including bonus episodes of Pod Save America. Subscribe now at crooked.com/friends , on Apple Podcasts, or through the Pod Save America YouTube channel. To watch this episode with subtitles, click here and turn on closed captions (CC). You can request a transcript by emailing transcripts@crooked.com . Include the podcast name, episode title, and air date. Please allow 48 hours for delivery.

Summary, chapters and key points were generated from the episode transcript on September 30, 2026. Quotes are checked word for word against the transcript.

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