Unlearning

Dolly ChughSocial psychologist, behavioral scientist and professor at NYU Stern School of Business

• Chugh's closing recommendation is that listeners become lifelong unlearners as well as lifelong learners.

  “What would it mean to be a lifelong learner and a lifelong unlearner?”

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• Chugh argues people demand grace for their own learning curve while demanding accountability from everyone else.

  “We want grace for our own mistakes and learning curve, and we want accountability for everyone else's”

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• Chugh says the Stroop test works because the participant is being asked to unlearn reading, which is what change feels like.

  “Unlearning is a two-step process because first I've got to let go of the thing I already know how to do. And then I've got to learn the new thing”

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